[lit-ideas] Re: New Orleans

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I'm afraid that would require the nature of human-ness to be radically and 
constitutionally changed.


A.A. Someone (on the other list) said that humans are like children in a school 
yard, a hazard to themselves, in need of constant supervision.  I think he hit 
it right on the head.   The supervisor humans appoint is, of course, Daddy in 
the Sky.  Unfortunately, Daddy in the Sky's response is usually "I'll give you 
something to cry about."  Until humans mature enough that they can do take the 
supervising job away from Daddy in the Sky and do it effectively themselves, we 
are in big ol trouble.  Needless to say, we are moving away from that goal, not 
toward it.

The below response from Kuwait is a variation on nyah nyah, God loves us best.  
Until their next natural disaster when God changes his mind.  I don't think 
they're a seismically active area though, and they're not surrounded by water 
so hurricanes and tsunamis aren't a problem.  Maybe they're right after all, 
and God did send Bush to destroy the U.S. for them, since Bush did willfully 
refuse to shore up the area in advance, the largest port in the country.  Plus 
the damage he did to the U.S. in Iraq.  And now it's all the gays' fault ... 


Andy Amago




Julie Krueger

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Wouldn't it be nice if there were no religion in the world?



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The People Of the Book (Jews, Christians, and Muslims) seem to have a very 
strange notion of the Main Character.  The sentiment below echoes statements 
already made by the "Christian Right" and a very right-wing sect of Jews.

How sad.

Julie Krueger

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Date:9/1/05 8:53:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time
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Hey, forget Germany. Here's Kuwait on the hurricane. Kuwait is an American 
ally. --andreas


> Senior Kuwaiti Official: "Katrina is a Wind of Torment and Evil from 
> Allah Sent to This American Empire"
> "The Terrorist Katrina is One of the Soldiers of Allah..."
>
> To view this Special Dispatch in HTML, visit 
> http://www.memri.org/bin/opener_latest.cgi?ID=SD97705
>
> "...As I watched the horrible sights of this wondrous storm, I was 
> reminded of the Hadith of the Messenger of Allah [in the compilations] 
> of Al-Bukhari and Abu Daoud. The Hadith says: 'The wind is of the wind 
> of Allah, it comes from mercy or for the sake of torment. When you see 
> it, do not curse it, [but rather] ask Allah for the good that is in 
> it, and ask Allah for shelter from its evil.' Afterwards, I was [also] 
> reminde d of the words of the Prophet Muhammad: 'Do not curse the wind, 
> as it is the fruit of Allah's planning. He who curses something that 
> should not be cursed - the curse will come back to him.'
>
> "When the satellite channels reported on the scope of the terrifying 
> destruction in America [caused by] this wind, I was reminded of the 
> words of [Prophet Muhammad]: 'The wind sends torment to one group of 
> people, and sends mercy to others.' I do not think - and only Allah 
> [really] knows - that this wind, which completely wiped out American 
> cities in these days, is a wind of mercy and blessing. It is almost 
> certain that this is a wind of torment and evil that Allah has sent to 
> this American empire. Out of my absolute belief in the truth of the 
> words of the Prophet Muhammad, this wind is the fruit of the planning 
> [of Allah], as is stated in the text of the Hadith of the Prophe t.
>
> "But I began to ask myself: Doesn't this country [the U.S.] claim to 
> aspire to establish justice, freedom, and equality amongst the people? 
> Isn't this country claiming that everything it did in Afghanistan and 
> Iraq was for truth and justice? How can it be that these American 
> claims are untrue, when we see how good prevails in the streets of 
> Afghanistan, and how it became an oasis of security with America's 
> entrance there? How can these American claims in the matter of Iraq be 
> untrue, when we see that Iraq has become the most tranquil and secure 
> country in the world?"
>
> "But how strange it is that after all the tremendous American 
> achievements for the sake of humanity, these mighty winds come and 
> evilly rip [America's] cities to shreds? Have the storms have joined 
> the Al-Qaeda terrorist organization?
>
> "The Disaster Will Keep Striki ng the Unbelievers for What They Have 
> Done"
>
> "How sad I am for America. Here it is, poor thing, trying with all its 
> might to lower oil prices which have reached heights unprecedented in 
> all history. Along with America's phenomenal efforts to lower the 
> price of oil in order to salvage its declining economy and its 
> currency - that is still falling due to the 'smart' policy America is 
> implementing in the world - comes this storm, the fruit of Allah's 
> planning, so that [the price of] a barrel of oil will increase further 
> still. By Allah, this is not schadenfreude.
>
> "Oh honored gentlemen, I began to read about these winds, and I was 
> surprised to discover that the American websites that are translated 
> [into Arabic] are talking about the fact that that the storm Katrina 
> is the fifth equatorial storm to strike Florida this year... and that 
> a large part of the U.S. is subject every year to many storms that 
> extract [a price of] dead, and completely destroy property. I said, 
> Allah be praised, until when will these successive catastrophes strike 
> them?
>
> "But before I went to sleep, I opened the Koran and began to read in 
> Surat Al-R'ad ['The Thunder' chapter], and stopped at these words [of 
> Allah]: 'The disaster will keep striking the unbelievers for what they 
> have done, or it will strike areas close to their territory, until the 
> promise of Allah comes to pass, for, verily, Allah will not fail in 
> His promise.' [Koran 13:31]."
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