[lit-ideas] Re: Marxi's influence in America
- From: "Andy Amago" <aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 22:16:24 -0500
States' rights to do what? This is like arguing that a kid has a right to
run away from home. The real issue is, why in the world would a kid want
to run away from home? Why would the southern states want to secede? The
Missouri Compromise wasn't about transportation. If the plantation owners
had willingly abolished slavery, who would have worked the plantations?
> [Original Message]
> From: Lawrence Helm <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 2/7/2006 10:03:39 PM
> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Marxi's influence in America
>
> Nice try. But I think you'll find out from any reputable historian that
> States Rights were the reason the Civil War began. Think about it. South
> Carolina wanted to secede. The North said no cessation. Seceding is a
> Right of a State, SC said, and went ahead with it. The North said no,
lots
> of fighting, blood, dying, etc.
>
> Think about the slogan: "to preserve the union." Why would they be
talking
> like that if what they really meant was "to abolish slavery?"
>
> The Abolition Movement wanted to abolish slavery, but they had no power in
> government. Abraham Lincoln was not an abolitionist. The war did not
start
> over slavery. During the war Lincoln decided to abolish slavery.
>
> The issue that got them fighting was States Rights. Southern States
thought
> they had the right to secede. Northern States wanted to preserve the
Union.
> The decision to abolish slavery was a serendipitous side effect.
>
> Lawrence
>
>
>
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>
> The Civil War was about slavery, but because slavery was the economic
> system of the South. The South was an agricultural economy and slaves did
> all the work. Without slaves, how would the South function economically?
> Who would grow and harvest the cotton and the tobacco? The Civil War was
> about states having the right to hold slaves.
>
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Judith Evans <judithevans001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Date: 2/7/2006 7:50:25 PM
> > Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Marxi's influence in America
> >
> >
> > --- Lawrence Helm <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > > The issue of Slavery was not at the forefront in
> > > regard to the Cessation
> > > Movement that led to the Civil War.
> >
> >
> > I don't know how you're dating this, Lawrence. The
> > Missouri Compromise was certainly "about slavery".
> >
> > In fact I
> > > probably first learned that
> > > from a Marxist.
> >
> >
> > Some Marxists do try to argue like that (the economy
> > being all and all-determinant), but it's a bit
> > old-fashioned now.
> >
> >
> > > The North controlled the transportation and squeezed
> > > the South in regard to
> > > the shipping of goods to European markets.
> >
> >
> > True, also true that a feudal South faced a capitalist
> > North.
> >
> > I accept that numerous factors were involved here.
> > But I am inclined to stand by
> >
> >
> >
> > LK> >The Civil War was begun over States Rights and
> > not
> > > Slavery.
> > >
> > JE> But the States Rights at issue were bound up with
> > > slavery.
> >
> >
> > (But it is a long time since I studied US history)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Judy Evans, Cardiff
> >
> >
> > Judy Evans, Cardiff
> >
> >
> >
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