[lit-ideas] Re: Malt, Coffee & Chuck Taylor (longish)

  • From: Robert Paul <rpaul@xxxxxxxx>
  • To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:34:25 -0700

Here are some thoughts occasioned by, if not immediately relevant to, a discussion Walter and I seem to be having about Kant, universalizability, and the Coming World Crisis. I had written:

RP: [T]o ø an x is never the same, I'd have thought, as an x's being ø-able. (The intention to climb a tree isn't the same as—or 'equivalent to'—a tree's being climbable.) So I'm puzzled as to how 'a case of the former [could be] a case of the latter' in any sense, 'moral,' or 'philosophical.'

WALTER replied: There are two possible replies here. The first is simpler than the second. On the first, I grant RP the conceptual point and reformulate my claim more clearly to read: the universalizability of a maxim is not determined or defined by the intention to act or will on a maxim one deems to be universalizable. Intention has no epistemic authority in establishing the universalizability of a maxim. Although an intention is a structural feature of a well-formed maxim. …

… If, however, a maxim is universalizable, it is universally applicABLE to all rational agents. People who have been instrumental in inaugurating transcendental movements make the latter philosophical/moral claim: all persons OUGHT to abide by precepts or commands x, y, and z. They are clearly not making the empirical claim of universality since they would be out of a job, so to speak. )

RP: Perhaps our entire discussion on this point is a muddle, accounted for by the metaphysical world’s increasing and irreversible entropy. I think that in the beginning I wanted to distinguish between two things that often are confused: (1) that someone intends a statement (judgment, proposition, rule, command) to apply ‘universally,’ i.e., always and everywhere, and (2) that some rule or maxim can be universalizable, i.e., formulated without contradiction, and seen as reciprocally binding. Take the last first. It seems trivially true of all genuine judgments that given similar circumstances one should expect similar judgments. This may not always be true in the physical world (one person’s blue green may be another’s turquoise) but it ought to be true in worlds in which we can idealize conditions, e.g. logic, mathematics, and supposedly morality.

This has a bit to do with consistency. One cannot offer the same grounds in the same circumstances for different judgments. If Molly crosses the finish line before Tom, then, ceteris paribus, Molly wins, not Tom. If Tom crosses the finish line first, in another race, then, ceteris paribus, Tom wins, not Molly. If one of the pans of a balance scale in good working order goes down and the other goes up then whatever’s in the pan that goes down weighs more than what’s in the other. These are such simple cases that it hardly seems they could illuminate anything, but I think one could show that more complex cases differ only in their complexity. (None of this rules out our being just lost from time to time.)

Kant wants out of the application of the Categorical Imperative to maxims, at least this kind of consistency, but he wants more, I think,
a kind of super-consistency


What this is is hard to articulate, and that’s because, I think, Kant himself isn’t clear about it. There are, it seems to me, two kinds of untoward results one might discover upon applying the Categorical Imperative to a maxim. One, as in the case of trying (in thought) to will that making lying promises be made a universal law, results in incoherence: in making lying promises, one does more than deceive others (bad in itself), one destroys the very concept one is using to formulate one’s maxim. It is as if one thought one might will that the creation of four-sided triangles become a universal practice. A promise is what one ought to keep and trying to universalize the not-keeping of what one ought to keep makes no sense. I leave it to others to say what kind of sense it does not make.

But the second kind of untoward result has no such built in incoherence. If I pick a flower from an alpine meadow, I hardly disturb the universe or the meadow. But if everyone did that, the flowers would soon be gone, and that would be a bad thing. It would be a bad thing rhough only if one had independent grounds for believing it would be; that is, there’s no incoherence involved in the notion of everyone’s picking a wild flower from a certain meadow. So the relevant maxim could be universalized just in case one did not care for the preservation of meadows, and the wrongness of everyone’s doing that must be brought in from elsewhere. And so in similar cases. There are other sorts of examples which seem to me instances of wrongdoing (badness, etc.) which are cases of wrongdoing independently of whether they have been tested in light of the Categorical Imperative, but that is a subject for another time.

On to other matters.

WALTER says: My second possible reply to RP, the more complex (and admittedly convoluted) one goes something like this. While the intention to climb a tree is not equivalent to the tree's being climbable, the nature of maxims in K's account allows one to say, analogically, that a tree's climbability is (truth functionally) equivalent to the rational coherence of an intention to climb it.

RP: This is a somewhat strange way of putting it. In saying that the one is ‘truth functionally’ equivalent to the other, one cannot mean that their truth conditions are the same. It might be simpler to say that if it is false that a certain tree is climbable, then (given that one knows this) one cannot ‘rationally’ intend to climb it, or that if one’s intention to climb a tree is ‘rational’ (no macho posturing) the tree must be climbable. However, these seem insufficient, for one can certainly act rationally on the strength of false beliefs. So that the intrusion of epistemological considerations here makes me wonder about their relevance elsewhere. (How much imaginative epistemology must one need to deal with in cases like the picking of wildflowers?)

WALTER: In other words, the claim that that a tree is climbable is true if and only if a rational intention to climb it is coherent. Or is "possible," as K. likes to say. If a tree is not climbable, then the intention to climb it intends an impossibility.

RP: There’s nothing qua intention that makes such intentions possible, but I think this is what Walter meant when he alluded to their ‘psychological’ possibility. Yet to say that this intention ‘intends an impossibility’ is not the same as saying that one intends to do something one knows to be impossible. (Hobbes, coming to geometry late, believed for a long time that he had a proof that the circle could be squared.)

WALTER: And conversely. If a maxim is not universalizable, then the
intention to universalize it is an intention that seeks an impossibility.

RP: Perhaps. But there’s more epistemology here than a transcendental idealist ought to feel comfortable with.

Thanks to Walter.

Robert Paul
Reed College

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