[lit-ideas] Re: Leftism and Islamism
- From: "Judith Evans" <judithevans1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 19:40:35 +0100
>And your note remains in the quibble-category even though
>it is better developed than the others.
You do me too much honour, Lawrence; my post is not at all "developed"; it
simply throws at you -- and the List -- a web post, from a page you cited,
whose categorization of the Left (whose refusal to see it as monolithic)
you should note.
>I did say in one of my notes yesterday that I saw no reason to
>develop the entire history of Leftism.
no-one's asking you to, but an understanding that "the Left" is not
monolithic would be a start. (OK I do now see signs that you
do distinguish, on occasion, between liberals and those to
their left, and that's quite a step for you.)
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What we have at hand is an Islamist position, that of Hizbollah,
Syria, etc arguing that Hizbollah is right and Israel is wrong.
Omar argued to a similar end. Others on Lit-Ideas agreed with him
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Various of us have attacked certain of Israel's actions. Some on the
List (not only you) have concluded that there are two monolithic
sides here. This may in part be my fault, I accept that, for saying
"we" at one stage. Still. It is not the case.
LH>I read the material you quoted. I read it prior to posting
LH>the reference. It doesn't counter anything that I've said
"Spinoza"'s account of the Left is markedly different from yours
LH>There is Lit-Ideas Leftist support for Hizbollah and opposition to Israel.
I think some people have been trying to tell you they support the Lebanon.
(Andreas certainly has, I'd say; and he is also trying to tell you
he differentiates between peoples and states, as I would prefer to
do, too.) I would hate to see that lovely country become a Shia state,
but that could be the result of its travails these last decades and
in particular, the war now.
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By the way, It was you as I recall who posted a discussion with
Bridget Gabriel and when Stan thanked you for posting a note
so sympathetic to Israel that it made him cry, you were quick
to back-pedal and announced that you weren't in support of
the entire discussion and only posted it to show Gabriel was
a Christian and not a Muslim and resolved never to post anything
from FrontPageMag again. Do I remember that incorrectly?
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Yes you do remember it incorrectly (or rather, you misinterpreted me).
I did not back-pedal at all. My initial post was an attempt to
show that Gabriel was not a reliable source. As I said in
my reply to you then
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my point was (and is) that Brigitte Gabriel is not necessarily
representative of Lebanese Christians (and is not telling the
whole story).
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Judy Evans, Cardiff
----- Original Message -----
From: Lawrence Helm
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 7:09 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Leftism and Islamism
There is more substance to this note and I'd almost be willing to exempt it
from the response I made to Simon, that is, to his criticism of The US Right
for not presenting a position, policy or presumably anything of substance. I
have observed many interesting potential discussions being passed by in order
to concentrate upon a quibble or a tangent. And your note remains in the
quibble-category even though it is better developed than the others.
I did say in one of my notes yesterday that I saw no reason to develop the
entire history of Leftism. What we have at hand is an Islamist position, that
of Hizbollah, Syria, etc arguing that Hizbollah is right and Israel is wrong.
Omar argued to a similar end. Others on Lit-Ideas agreed with him. Omar
agrees with Hizbollah. Leftists on Lit-Ideas agree with Omar in his agreement
with Hizbollah. Omar disagrees with Israel. Leftists on Lit-Ideas agree with
Omar in his disagreement with Israel. I didn't feel that I was making a
terribly risky statement to observe that there was Lit-ideas Leftist support
for Islamist ideas associated with the current Israel/Hizbollah war.
I read the material you quoted. I read it prior to posting the reference.
It doesn't counter anything that I've said. There is Lit-Ideas Leftist support
for Hizbollah and opposition to Israel.
By the way, It was you as I recall who posted a discussion with Bridget
Gabriel and when Stan thanked you for posting a note so sympathetic to Israel
that it made him cry, you were quick to back-pedal and announced that you
weren't in support of the entire discussion and only posted it to show Gabriel
was a Christian and not a Muslim and resolved never to post anything from
FrontPageMag again. Do I remember that incorrectly? Why your reaction? It
sounded as though you didn't want to be seen as being critical of Hizbollah or
supportive of Israel.
Lawrence
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