I don't have back pain, so I can't speak from experience. However, I do know that for years doctors thought that if a disc didn't look a certain way, it was "herniated", or defective in some way. Now I think the focus is changing such that discs can deviate from an average appearance and still be normal. The problem with the older thinking was that a lot of surgery came up empty, with the patient in as much pain after as before, plus dealing with post surgical problems. None of this is to say that discs can't be geniunely "herniated", just that a lot of pain goes unexplained, even after corrective surgery. Has any doctor said anything about physical therapy? Andy Amago -----Original Message----- From: JimKandJulieB@xxxxxxx Sent: Feb 13, 2005 8:08 PM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Kyphoplasty? If the diagnosis is so uncertain, why is kyphoplasty the answer? The most recent diagnosis was herniated discs. A friend who works in the Medical Library dept. of a hospital (see my original post) told me that she understood (as a result of research she had done for Dr's) that kyphoplasty was a recent treatment for hearniated discs. I don't know that that's "the answer". I was trying to find out more about the relationship between the possible diagnosis and the treatment, as googling wasn't netting much of anything. I am grateful for the response I've gotten from this "community". I do think of it as a community, by now. Thank you. Julie Krueger casting nets anywhere I can think of ========Original Message======== Subj: [lit-ideas] Re: Kyphoplasty? Date: 2/13/05 6:46:29 P.M. Central Standard Time From: _aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx) To: _lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx) , _lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx) Sent on: Friday, February 11, 2005, 6:43:50 PM, JimKandJulieB@xxxxxxx wrote: Jac> I know there are a number of various types of medical Doctors or people with Jac> relatives who are MD's on this list. I have a question for any of you that Jac> might be able to steer me in the right direction. In addition to having Jac> recurrent colon cancer and all the attendant joys of chemo-therapy, my Mother, Jac> who is 63, had had excruciating back pain for months. First they were Jac> concerned that it was cancer moving into her bones. CT scans cleared that one up. Jac> Then they told her she had severe osteo-arthritis. Another physician nixed Jac> that diagnosis. The most recent diagnosis (how is it possible for something in Jac> this day and age of medicine to be so undiagnosable??) is herniated discs. Jac> Of course, they want to do surgery. She's absolutely terrified of and Jac> opposed to surgery, but is desperate. A friend who works in a medical records Jac> dept. at a local hospital told me about a fairly recent procedure, called Jac> "kyphoplasty" in which a glue-like cement-like substance is injected into the places Jac> beteen the discs. A search on Google for "kyphoplasty herniated discs" Jac> turned up nothing helpful. A.A. If the diagnosis is so uncertain, why is kyphoplasty the answer? My understanding of kyphoplasty is that it is for the osteoporotic fractures that create the kyphosis, or hunch back, of osteoporosis. It's still, I believe, relatively experimental. Back pain is the #1 problem in the U.S. It costs billions in medical care, much of it unsuccessful, as well as lost productivity. Much back pain is, I hate to say it, psychosomatic in origin. Not all of it, of course, but a huge amount of it. Psychosomatic pain is real pain. It just has no physical cause. Andy Amago Jac> Julie Krueger Jac> Trammadol isn't touching her pain .... something's gotta be done! Jac> ------------------------------------------------------------------ Jac> To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, Jac> digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html -- mailto:judithevans001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html