How does having been defeated and killed in battle make him not "noble" ? (Assuming that this was implied.) Omar Kusturica --- On Mon, 11/29/10, Eric Yost <mr.eric.yost@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: Eric Yost <mr.eric.yost@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Giving Thanksgiving To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Monday, November 29, 2010, 8:31 AM >>Tecumseh, Shawnee Chief Noble savage, yadda-yadda, noble savage. He was shot by Americans -- more influenced by Locke and Scottish realism than by Rousseau -- while he was fighting on the British side at the Battle of Thames. He tried to kill the Americans. Instead they killed him. Noble savage, yadda-yadda, noble savage. >>wholeness, respect and harmony I'm going to really go out on a limb here and assert that "wholeness, respect and harmony" is a good thing. To really speculate, I'll assert that many people think it is a good thing. >>"together we will win our country back from the whites" He was wrong. They didn't. He's with the Etruscans and the Carthaginians and the Druids -- all objects of romantic imaginings. All extinct as warring nations. Noble savage, yadda-yadda, noble savage. Nations rise and fall, but Tecumseh will remain deader than a boiled mackerel. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html