I am not sure what the various figures actually measure, Lawrence, but for what it's worth, reported/recorded suicide rates in European countries are not uniformly higher than in the USA. Also I don't know what Thornton's sources are, but mine say Luxemburg's figures are more or less identical to the USA's. That leaves us, pending further investigation, with four European countries with higher suicide rates than those of the US and of other European countries. more importantly, Thornton says (I copy the quotation from your blog) "in many European countries, suicide is the second leading cause of death, after accidents," in fact, it's the second leading cause of death, *disease apart*, **among teenagers** in Europe (according to a WHO report of 2004). (This teenage suicide rate varies greatly across Europe.) That's worrying but doesn't really support your overall thesis. Judy Evans, Cardiff, UK and France's suicide rate is about twice that of the United States', as --- On Fri, 19/11/10, Lawrence Helm <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: Lawrence Helm <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [lit-ideas] Europe, World War II, Suicide and Jason Bourne To: "Lit-Ideas" <Lit-Ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: Friday, 19 November, 2010, 18:08 http://www.lawrencehelm.com/2010/11/europe-world-war-ii-suicide-and-jason.html Lawrence