In a message dated 4/17/2004 10:34:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, atlas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: Much to Donal's chagrin, I'm with him here. If you can ask "what is?" of any element of an EP and get an answer, then the EP ain't EPal. I suggest that 'is' is the only EP. Bill Clinton would disagree and maybe Monica, too. But I don't know how to analyse 'is', and I think that's the final word on that. Mike Geary proud to be of service --- For what it's worth, there is, apparently, no collocation "elementary proposition" in the OED. There are a few quotes for "ATOMIC proposition", though. I append below. I guess Wittgenstein would distinguish between 'elementary proposition' and 'atomic proposition', but I'm not sure (Be reminded he spake German). Cheers, JL ---- From the OED 'atomic'. In modern philosophy: unanalysable, irreducible, ultimate, essential; also, of a sentence: without conjunctions or other connective words. Cites -- as it applies to 'proposition': 1912 L. WITTGENSTEIN Let. (to Russell) in Notebks. 1914-16 (1961) 120, I believe that our problems can be traced down to the atomic propositions. 1918 B. RUSSELL in Monist 523 An atomic proposition is one which does mention actual particulars, not merely describe them but actually name them. 1922 tr. Wittgenstein's Tract. Log.-Phil. 31 An atomic fact is a combination of objects (entities, things). 1929 WITTGENSTEIN in Knowledge, Exper. & Realism (Aristotelian Soc. Suppl., Vol. IX) 163 The propositions which represent this ultimate connexion of terms I call, after B. Russell, atomic propositions. 1933 Mind XLII. 38 Similar to the species of geometry, we might have in logic â??a logic of atomic propositionsâ?? and â??a logic of molecular propositionsâ??. 1948 B. RUSSELL Human Knowl. II. ix. 145 We give the name â??atomic sentenceâ?? to one not containing logical words. 1956 G. RYLE in Ayer et al. Revol. Philos. 10 The analysis of compound propositions into their simple elements, the conjunctionless or â??atomicâ?? propositions. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html