On 2005/03/01, at 2:54, Eternitytime1@xxxxxxx wrote: > What about consequences for decisions? If you had a good reason for > it (or > even 'just' a reason...) What about when those decisions are > selfish or > mean? (but I did/didn't do it because...) There were consequences, up to an occasional spanking when she was small, when the parents agreed that behavior was bad, i.e. sneaky or malicious. The last serious incident I recall was circa junior high school, when we stumbled (accidentally, we didn't pry) on concealed cigarettes. That got her grounded for a month. On the other hand, when I was called from the station one night by two high school friends who had got her there sick drunk and as green and gray as I have ever seen her (the result, I later learned, of going too far in experimenting with a bottle of whiskey), I just walked her home and said, "I'll bet that you will not be doing this again soon." She remains to this day a moderate drinker, confirming a familiar pattern--pushing the limits to find out where they are, then staying within them. We weren't, by any means, perfect parents (I wonder if any such exist). I have an explosive temper, inherited from my dad and can remember being pretty scary (for me, too) more times than I like. (Parenting, in a situation with unsettled roles tested my limits as well as my wife and daughter's.) On the whole, however, the kid was surrounded 99.9% of the time with unconditional love. If she did something stupid, she lived with the consequences unless there was threat of serious injury or death. (When, a junior in high school, she talked her parents into letting her buy a motorcycle--a 50 cc motorbike,actually--to ride to school on, her parents insisted on giving her the best available helmet we could find.) The delightful thing is that she's now approaching 29 while her dad approaches 61 (our birthdays are three days apart, in August) and we are, what I never was with my parents, very good friends, who share stories (some incredibly raunchy), recipes, a love of fine food and wine, even the same politics. Pretty good all around. John McCreery ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html