[lit-ideas] Re: Anarchism and Leftism
- From: "Lawrence Helm" <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:32:33 -0700
I am quite sure that I have spent more time discussing my ideas than you
have yours. I can't think of a single area where I haven't discussed my
ideas; so you are speaking junk to avoid the subject. My "methods" indeed.
Let is move to the meat: Where do you stand on Hizbollah and Israel. As I
HAVE SAID my position is that I support a nation's right to defend itself
against an invading terrorist organization [AS YOU WELL KNOW]. Wasn't it
you that quibbled when I said that previously that only a dozen or so came
across that border and that didn't really comprise an invasion? And wasn't
it you that argued that Israel over reacted just because Hizbollah killed
only 8 or so and kidnapped only two more? Didn't you say that? But as I
have said and as you well know, I support Israel's right to "eliminate
Hizbollah." Is any of this coming back to you now? Someone quibbled that
"eliminate" sounded like what the Nazis did to the Jews and I, responding to
that typical quibble, explaining that the elimination of a terrorist
organization was not the same as the elimination of individuals.
Everyone knows what I think about these matters. But what do you think
Simon? Do you support Hizbollah or Israel in this current war? Or do you
take some "out" as Andreas does and assume an anarchic position: a pox on
all their houses?
Lawrence
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From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Simon Ward
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 11:19 AM
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Anarchism and Leftism
It's not an attack, Lawrence, it's an analysis of your methods. You seem
keen to discuss other people's ideas even to the extent of willfully
misrepresenting the views of the opposition as you see it, but you are less
keen to discuss your own ideas, or the ideas of the collective group you
seem to represent.
I would imagine that some people on the list get tired of being told what
they think and I for one would like to hear what your views are past the
point of what you think about 'the left'.
So tell us, Lawrence, what do the right think. And if you can manage it try
and leave out what the right thinks about the left.
Simon
----- Original Message -----
From: Lawrence <mailto:lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Helm
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 6:45 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Anarchism and Leftism
I did notice that none on the Left saw fit to discuss the ideas in the MEMRI
dispatch. I did notice that none saw fit to discuss the ideas in my
comments. All anyone wanted to do was quibble about my reference to
"leftists." As though none on the Left really knew what Leftism meant.
In Andreas article I recognized arguments I'd seen coming from the Left
before except for his comment which could only be described as anarchic.
Why do you think there is an attack here Simon? What attack? Andreas made
a comment and I looked it up. Where is the attack? I did see an attack in
your note. Did it take up the issue of the Saudi, Egyptian or PLO
opposition to Hizbollah's adventurism? No, You don't see fit to do that.
Does it take up a discussion of the Left's association with Anarchism (which
is the subject of the note you seem to be responding to)? No, you didn't
see fit to do that. All you saw fit to do was the very thing you accuse the
Right of doing, "attack," and yet you do it ineptly. There is no substance
to your attack. It can't be pinned to anything concrete.
Lawrence
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From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Simon Ward
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 10:09 AM
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Anarchism and Leftism
Interesting that Lawrence's response, as so often, is an attack on the views
of the political opposition rather than a defence of his own position.
As far as I see it, this is a common thread in US right wing politics. Try a
Google search on "What the left thinks" and you'll get the idea.
Is this because the right are afraid of the left or is it because they have
an effective policy vaccuum?
Incidentally, British politics have become so centralised that there is
little or no distinction between left and right.
Simon
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