[lit-ideas] Re: Alternatives to one-upmanship

  • From: "Andy Amago" <aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 08:13:52 -0400

Eric, are you serious posting this?  Patriots are going to save us from al
Qaeda?  How are they going to do that?  Where were the patriots when Iraq
was being invaded besides urging them on?  I know the NR is a bunch of
party hacks, but this cluelessness in light of how dire the situation is is
breathtaking



> [Original Message]
> From: Eric Yost <eyost1132@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 8/12/2006 12:42:18 AM
> Subject: [lit-ideas] Alternatives to one-upmanship
>
> John wrote: "I've been staying out of the Omar vs Phil, 
> Eric, Lawrence debate largely because it has long since 
> fallen into the "dance of anger" pattern familiar to 
> marriage counselors, in which both sides frame the debate in 
> black and white terms that admit of no compromise."
>
>
> Earlier, I missed this introduction to John's post. Now I'm 
> writing to register mild dismay and amusement.
>
> Despite the deep-structure power-grab motive (John as the 
> marriage counselor, the rest of us as the aggrieved parties) 
> the idea that John abhors framing a debate "in black and 
> white terms that admit of no compromise" is a bit odd coming 
> from such an active partisan Democrat.
>
> C'mon John, to be partisan is to love framing in black and 
> white. You like Ansel Adams don't you?* Admit it.
>
> In "Connecticut? This is London Calling: Al Qaeda reminds us 
> to hang on to our patriots," conservative partisan Andrew C. 
> McCarthy offers a few of the black-and-whites:
>
> -----
>
> The antiwar Left has a conveniently flexible moral compass. 
> Consequently, the Clinton era Echelon program was fine, but 
> Bush?s NSA Terrorist Surveillance Program is an impeachable 
> offense.
>
> Mishandling classified information by a Clinton CIA director 
> was worthy of a pardon, and destroying classified 
> information (and lying to investigators about it) by a 
> former Clinton national-security adviser was worthy of a 
> pass, but leaking the unremarkable fact that Valerie Plame 
> worked for the CIA is the crime of the century.
>
> Bombing Kosovo without U.N. approval was a moral imperative; 
> invading Iraq after over a dozen U.N. resolutions is a 
> violation of international law.
>
> Renditions conducted between 1994 and 2000 were just good 
> national-security sense; renditions conducted between 2001 
> and 2006 are war crimes.
>
> Indicting Osama bin Laden in 1998 and then doing nothing to 
> capture him while he bombed two American embassies and an 
> American naval destroyer, killing hundreds, was aggressive 
> yet intelligently modulated counterterrorism; allowing Osama 
> bin Laden to evade capture in Tora Bora while killing and 
> capturing hundreds of his operatives and decimating his 
> hierarchy is irresponsibly incompetent.
>
> Wet fingers firmly in the wind, the Left looks you in the 
> eye and tells you that what is depends on what the 
> definition of ?is? is, then votes for it before voting 
> against it. The object of the game is power, and they are 
> willing to gamble, even with our lives, to get it or keep it.
>
>
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=OTlmZDYxZDJhZDJlMTQ2NGVmZmI0OTFmMGMzOGR
jZmQ=
>
> ___________
> *
>   "Mount McKinley and Wonder Lake, Denali National Park, 
> Alaska, 1947" is a spectacular photo. Makes one want to risk 
> the bears.
>
>
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