[LRflex] Re: leicareflex Digest V3 #294
- From: "KEITH LONGMORE" <keith@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <leicareflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:45:46 +0100
Hi all
Many thanks to the replies to my first posting, and the R3 question - very
interesting and helpful! Douglas Sharp's comments:
1. Batteries are fine, and yes, I did clean them. Contacts are fine.
2. Needle remains at the bottom whatever you do.
3. On automatic, the shutter opens, and stays open; the only way to close
it again is to turn the speed dial off Auto - with difficulty; it won't move
until the longest shutter opening has expired.
Sounds like an open circuit sensor to me - but since there are three (?)
that doesn't make sense. If I remember correctly, the old Minolta had a lot
of flexible printed circuits in it, so maybe one has cracked?
Incidentally, the thing that has 'switched me on' with these Leicas is the
excellent smoothness, and quietness of the shutter, especially the R3.
As well as super-sharp photos. My Canon EOS 600 shutter goes with quite a
jolt and is really noisy (as is its auto focus), and the Canon zoom lenses
are nowhere near as sharp as the Leica ones.
Cheers for now.
Keith L
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leicareflex Digest Wed, 25 Oct 2006 Volume: 03 Issue: 294
In This Issue:
[LRflex] Re: R-10 Survey Results...
[LRflex] R3 meter
[LRflex] Re: R-10 Survey Results...
[LRflex] Re: R-10 Survey Results...
[LRflex] Re: R-10 Survey Results...
[LRflex] Re: R-10 Survey Results...
[LRflex] Re: R3 meter
[LRflex] Re: R-10 Survey Results...
[LRflex] Re: R3 meter
[LRflex] new leica user almost
[LRflex] Re: new leica user almost
[LRflex] Re: new leica user almost
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From: "Chris Birchenhall" <chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [LRflex] Re: R-10 Survey Results...
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:01:13 +0100
David
Thanks for all your efforts and reporting back.
Chris
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[mailto:leicareflex-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Young
Sent: 25 October 2006 07:01
To: leicareflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [LRflex] R-10 Survey Results...
All:
As promised, here are the results of the R-10 "Wish List" survey.
Many people are very insistent that their pet feature is paramount,
and that I must somehow take that into account. However, sometimes
features, such as 'live view" , while intensely popular with a few,
are deeply unpopular with most. I fear that many will not be pleased
with the results!
Please don't shoot me... I don't make up the answers... I just report
them! The survey will go to Leica (in the form presented below) Wednesday.
BTW: I am very disappointed with the turnout... of over 240 members,
just over 50 bothered to complete the questionnaire. To all those
who did, my most sincere thanks. You did a fine job and it was fun
compiling the answers. :-)
Cheers!
David.
-------------------------------
[1] A fine grained 35mm film is equivalent to about 22 million
pixels. However, given the current state of the art, the more pixels
packed onto a chip, the smaller each one will be. Thus, more
application is needed resulting in more "noise". OTOH, each
generation of chips improves things a bit. Assuming that noise can
be held to the same levels as currently enjoyed by the DMR, how many
pixels would you like to see in the next "R" camera?
[A] 10mp? 2.2%
[B] 12mp? 10.9%
[C] 14mp? 13.0%
[D] 16mp? 23.9%
[E] 18mp? 8.7%
[F] 20mp? 23.9%
[G] Don't care. 17.4%
[2] Full frame sensors create their own problems with vignetting, due
to the angle the light rays hit the outer pixels. This problem is
less pronounced in reflex cameras than in rangefinder ones, due to
the need to keep the rear lens elements out of the way of the mirror.
And, they allow wide angle lenses to work as they were
intended. APS-C sized sensors (as in the current DMR) are lower in
cost, have virtually no vignetting problems and give an advantage to
tele lens users. Your preference for sensor size would be...
[A] Full Frame 56.5%
[B] APS-C or 15.2%
[C] somewhere in between? 28.3%
[3] Sensor format: Many small "Point & Pray" digi-cameras use the
16:9 aspect ratio of the new wide screen TV's. 35mm (and the M8, DMR
and nearly all other dSLR's) uses the classic 3:2 format. Should
the next "R" camera use
[A] the classic 3:2 (35mm) format or 93.5%
[B] the new 16:9 "wide screen" format? 4.3%
[4] Many have criticized the R8 and R9 for their size.... yet praised
them for their ergonomics. Would you prefer the mythical "R10" to be
[A] similar in size to the R8 & R9, 41.3%
[B] similar to the R8 or R9 with DMR (or motor drive) attached 8.7%
[C] smaller, like the R4 through 7 models, 30.4%
[D] somewhere in between the R7 and R9 or 19.6%
[E} even larger than the R9 w/DMR? 0.0%
[5] Newer, polycarbonate bodied cameras are considerably lighter than
the current 'R' cameras from Leica. How important is it to you that
the next generation be lighter bodies?
[A] Very important 28.3 %
[B] not important or 45.7 %
[C] doesn't matter. 26.1 %
[6] Current R cameras offer a variety of exposure modes... Aperture
Priority, Shutter Priority, Programme mode and Manual. Please
indicate which mode (A, S, P, M) you use the most and give a
percentage of use. (For instance, I use only Aperture Priority, so
my answer would be A - 100%. Someone else might be A - 60%, P -
40%) Please list all modes you use and the percentages you use each one.
Aperture Priority 56%
Shutter Priority 5%
Program Mode 16%
Manual 23%
[7] Current R cameras offer Spot, Center-weighted and Matrix
metering. Please list the exposure modes (S,C,M) and the percentages
of use for each, (as above).
Spot metering: 39.4%
Center-weighted: 22.2%
Matrix Metering: 38.5%
[8] Current Autofocus cameras utilize plastic (polycarbonate) lens
barrels. Their lower mass means that they can be focused more quickly
with smaller motors (read lightweight and longer battery
life). Would you want the next R to have autofocus if it meant
going to such lenses?
[A] Yes. 42.2%
[B] No. 57.8%
[9] If Leica were able to build autofocus lenses that maintained the
traditional Leica build quality and materials (as well as decent
battery life), would you want the next 'R" camera to have
autofocus?
[A] Yes 52.2%
[B] No. 47.8%
[10] If you prefer not to have autofocus, or if you would use
existing Leica MF lenses on the new 'R' camera, how important is
focus confirmation?
[A] Very important 28.3%
[B] Somewhat important 47.8%
[C] Not important at all. 24.4%
[11] If Leica were (able) to design autofocus lenses for the 'R'
series... such a change might necessitate a different lens
mount. How important is it that any newer lens mount be compatible
with your existing R lenses?
[A] Absolutely must be compatible, 82.2%
[B] it would be nice, but not absolutely necessary 15.6%
[C] not important at all. 2.2%
[12] If the lens mount were to be changed, it might be possible to
make an adapter which would allow the use of existing lenses in
Aperture Priority mode only. Would this route be
[A] acceptable to you 73.3%
[B] Not acceptable? 26.7%
[13] How important is it to you to have a large LCD screen for
menus/'chimping"?
[A] Very important, 26.7%
[B] somewhat important, 55.6%
[C] not important. 17.8%
[14] Bearing in mind that having "live view" in an SLR means
siphoning some light from the finder to a second sensor, how
important "live view" ... ie: the LCD screen constantly shows what
the camera is "seeing"?
[A] Very important 8.9%
[B] somewhat important, 6.7%
[C] not important. 84.4%
[15] The R8 & R9 finders are amongst the brightest and best anywhere,
and probably second only to the finders in the Leica SL. How
important is finder brightness to you? Should the next 'R' camera's
finder be:
[A] as bright as the SL's finder, 44.4%
[B] as bright as the R8/9, 37.8%
[C] as bright as the R7 finder 8.9%
[D] acceptable at a lower level of brightness. 6.7%
[16] How important is battery life? Remember the longer the life,
the larger (and heavier) the battery. So, within the constraints of
reasonable weight and size (and the number of shot you take in an
average day) , how many shots would you like to see on a single
charge.
[A] 150 (the current DMR's level) 20.0%
[B] 190 (the current M8's level) 26.7%
[C] 250 40.0%
[D] 400 or more? 13.3%
[17] Speed is an issue. Do you use a winder or motor with your
current camera. How fast should the next "R" be capable of
shooting?
[A] 2 fps, 33.3%
[B] 4 fps, 55.6%
[C] 6 fps, 11.1%
[C] more. 0.0%
[18] The other speed issue is that of writing to the memory
cards. Faster writing means you can empty the buffer and shoot more
rapidly, but faster processors consume more battery power. To you, is
[A] battery life more important than card writing speed, or 40.0%
[B] speed of writing to cards more important than battery life? 60.0%
[19] Mechanical noise is always a factor in any camera. Recently I
used a Nikon D-200 and was pleasantly surprised at it's lower noise
level. How important is it to you that the new "R" be mechanically
quieter than the current models?
[A] very important, 31.1%
[B] not too important or 57.8%
[C] not important at all. 11.1%
[20] Price is always a factor. Remembering that the new M8 is
approximately US$5000 and the R9/DMR combo is around $7,500, what
would you expect pay for a new Leica 'R' - assuming it has most of
the features you want?
[A] $4000, 28.9%
[B] $5000, 48.9%
[C] $6000, 15.6%
[D] $7000, 4.4%
[E] $8000, 2.2%
[F] More than $8000. 0.0%
---
David Young,
Logan Lake, CANADA
Wildlife Photographs: http://www.telyt.com/
Personal Web-pages: http://www3.telus.net/~telyt
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From: "KEITH LONGMORE" <keith@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [LRflex] R3 meter
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:32:25 +0100
Hi everyone!
My name's Keith Longmore; I live in Norfolk, England. I have a
(ridiculously, according to my wife) large collection of cameras, including
quite a few spy and miniature cameras. Two of the collection are Leica
Reflexes, an R-E, with macro lenses, and an R3. I use the R-E, which is
immaculate, and get excellent results. However, the R3's meter doesn't work
- absolutely dead - (though the shutter is fine) and I was wondering if
anyone out there might have any comments or information? I know it's much
the same as the Minolta XE-1 (my daughter had one, on which the shutter
failed, but it had a good meter, and I threw.it.away.! That was pre-R3.).
Is it an expensive item to sort?
Cheers folks
Keith L
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:58:41 +0200
From: Philippe Amard <phamard@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [LRflex] Re: R-10 Survey Results...
Plus one - Great job indeed - now we have a profile :-)
I had added some concerns about dust, dampness flash photography, and
others, did you get much of this type of remarks ? If so, perhaps you
could just post a list of the "other things" to look at. If you still
have time and energy for it of course. I guess this survey was somewhat
time-consuming and I'm also sorry only a portion of dedicated Leica
users has answered.
Thanks again
Phileicangenieux
Chris Birchenhall wrote:
>David
>
>Thanks for all your efforts and reporting back.
>
>Chris
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: leicareflex-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:leicareflex-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Young
>Sent: 25 October 2006 07:01
>To: leicareflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [LRflex] R-10 Survey Results...
>
>All:
>As promised, here are the results of the R-10 "Wish List" survey.
>
>Many people are very insistent that their pet feature is paramount,
>and that I must somehow take that into account. However, sometimes
>features, such as 'live view" , while intensely popular with a few,
>are deeply unpopular with most. I fear that many will not be pleased
>with the results!
>
>Please don't shoot me... I don't make up the answers... I just report
>them! The survey will go to Leica (in the form presented below)
Wednesday.
>
>BTW: I am very disappointed with the turnout... of over 240 members,
>just over 50 bothered to complete the questionnaire. To all those
>who did, my most sincere thanks. You did a fine job and it was fun
>compiling the answers. :-)
>
>Cheers!
>
>David.
>
>
>-------------------------------
>
>
>[1] A fine grained 35mm film is equivalent to about 22 million
>pixels. However, given the current state of the art, the more pixels
>packed onto a chip, the smaller each one will be. Thus, more
>application is needed resulting in more "noise". OTOH, each
>generation of chips improves things a bit. Assuming that noise can
>be held to the same levels as currently enjoyed by the DMR, how many
>pixels would you like to see in the next "R" camera?
>
>[A] 10mp? 2.2%
>[B] 12mp? 10.9%
>[C] 14mp? 13.0%
>[D] 16mp? 23.9%
>[E] 18mp? 8.7%
>[F] 20mp? 23.9%
>[G] Don't care. 17.4%
>
>[2] Full frame sensors create their own problems with vignetting, due
>to the angle the light rays hit the outer pixels. This problem is
>less pronounced in reflex cameras than in rangefinder ones, due to
>the need to keep the rear lens elements out of the way of the mirror.
>And, they allow wide angle lenses to work as they were
>intended. APS-C sized sensors (as in the current DMR) are lower in
>cost, have virtually no vignetting problems and give an advantage to
>tele lens users. Your preference for sensor size would be...
>
>[A] Full Frame 56.5%
>[B] APS-C or 15.2%
>[C] somewhere in between? 28.3%
>
>
>[3] Sensor format: Many small "Point & Pray" digi-cameras use the
>16:9 aspect ratio of the new wide screen TV's. 35mm (and the M8, DMR
>and nearly all other dSLR's) uses the classic 3:2 format. Should
>the next "R" camera use
>
>[A] the classic 3:2 (35mm) format or 93.5%
>[B] the new 16:9 "wide screen" format? 4.3%
>
>
>[4] Many have criticized the R8 and R9 for their size.... yet praised
>them for their ergonomics. Would you prefer the mythical "R10" to be
>
>[A] similar in size to the R8 & R9, 41.3%
>[B] similar to the R8 or R9 with DMR (or motor drive) attached 8.7%
>[C] smaller, like the R4 through 7 models, 30.4%
>[D] somewhere in between the R7 and R9 or 19.6%
>[E} even larger than the R9 w/DMR? 0.0%
>
>
>[5] Newer, polycarbonate bodied cameras are considerably lighter than
>the current 'R' cameras from Leica. How important is it to you that
>the next generation be lighter bodies?
>
>[A] Very important 28.3 %
>[B] not important or 45.7 %
>[C] doesn't matter. 26.1 %
>
>
>[6] Current R cameras offer a variety of exposure modes... Aperture
>Priority, Shutter Priority, Programme mode and Manual. Please
>indicate which mode (A, S, P, M) you use the most and give a
>percentage of use. (For instance, I use only Aperture Priority, so
>my answer would be A - 100%. Someone else might be A - 60%, P -
>40%) Please list all modes you use and the percentages you use each one.
>
>Aperture Priority 56%
>Shutter Priority 5%
>Program Mode 16%
>Manual 23%
>
>
>[7] Current R cameras offer Spot, Center-weighted and Matrix
>metering. Please list the exposure modes (S,C,M) and the percentages
>of use for each, (as above).
>
>Spot metering: 39.4%
>Center-weighted: 22.2%
>Matrix Metering: 38.5%
>
>
>[8] Current Autofocus cameras utilize plastic (polycarbonate) lens
>barrels. Their lower mass means that they can be focused more quickly
>with smaller motors (read lightweight and longer battery
>life). Would you want the next R to have autofocus if it meant
>going to such lenses?
>
>[A] Yes. 42.2%
>[B] No. 57.8%
>
>
>[9] If Leica were able to build autofocus lenses that maintained the
>traditional Leica build quality and materials (as well as decent
>battery life), would you want the next 'R" camera to have
>autofocus?
>
>[A] Yes 52.2%
>[B] No. 47.8%
>
>
>[10] If you prefer not to have autofocus, or if you would use
>existing Leica MF lenses on the new 'R' camera, how important is
>focus confirmation?
>
>[A] Very important 28.3%
>[B] Somewhat important 47.8%
>[C] Not important at all. 24.4%
>
>
>
>[11] If Leica were (able) to design autofocus lenses for the 'R'
>series... such a change might necessitate a different lens
>mount. How important is it that any newer lens mount be compatible
>with your existing R lenses?
>
>[A] Absolutely must be compatible, 82.2%
>[B] it would be nice, but not absolutely necessary 15.6%
>[C] not important at all. 2.2%
>
>
>
>[12] If the lens mount were to be changed, it might be possible to
>make an adapter which would allow the use of existing lenses in
>Aperture Priority mode only. Would this route be
>
>[A] acceptable to you 73.3%
>[B] Not acceptable? 26.7%
>
>
>[13] How important is it to you to have a large LCD screen for
>menus/'chimping"?
>
>[A] Very important, 26.7%
>[B] somewhat important, 55.6%
>[C] not important. 17.8%
>
>
>[14] Bearing in mind that having "live view" in an SLR means
>siphoning some light from the finder to a second sensor, how
>important "live view" ... ie: the LCD screen constantly shows what
>the camera is "seeing"?
>
>[A] Very important 8.9%
>[B] somewhat important, 6.7%
>[C] not important. 84.4%
>
>
>[15] The R8 & R9 finders are amongst the brightest and best anywhere,
>and probably second only to the finders in the Leica SL. How
>important is finder brightness to you? Should the next 'R' camera's
>finder be:
>
>[A] as bright as the SL's finder, 44.4%
>[B] as bright as the R8/9, 37.8%
>[C] as bright as the R7 finder 8.9%
>[D] acceptable at a lower level of brightness. 6.7%
>
>
>[16] How important is battery life? Remember the longer the life,
>the larger (and heavier) the battery. So, within the constraints of
>reasonable weight and size (and the number of shot you take in an
>average day) , how many shots would you like to see on a single
>charge.
>
>[A] 150 (the current DMR's level) 20.0%
>[B] 190 (the current M8's level) 26.7%
>[C] 250 40.0%
>[D] 400 or more? 13.3%
>
>
>[17] Speed is an issue. Do you use a winder or motor with your
>current camera. How fast should the next "R" be capable of
>shooting?
>
>[A] 2 fps, 33.3%
>[B] 4 fps, 55.6%
>[C] 6 fps, 11.1%
>[C] more. 0.0%
>
>
>[18] The other speed issue is that of writing to the memory
>cards. Faster writing means you can empty the buffer and shoot more
>rapidly, but faster processors consume more battery power. To you, is
>
>
>[A] battery life more important than card writing speed, or 40.0%
>[B] speed of writing to cards more important than battery life? 60.0%
>
>
>[19] Mechanical noise is always a factor in any camera. Recently I
>used a Nikon D-200 and was pleasantly surprised at it's lower noise
>level. How important is it to you that the new "R" be mechanically
>quieter than the current models?
>
>[A] very important, 31.1%
>[B] not too important or 57.8%
>[C] not important at all. 11.1%
>
>
>[20] Price is always a factor. Remembering that the new M8 is
>approximately US$5000 and the R9/DMR combo is around $7,500, what
>would you expect pay for a new Leica 'R' - assuming it has most of
>the features you want?
>
>[A] $4000, 28.9%
>[B] $5000, 48.9%
>[C] $6000, 15.6%
>[D] $7000, 4.4%
>[E] $8000, 2.2%
>[F] More than $8000. 0.0%
>
>
>
>
>---
>
>David Young,
>Logan Lake, CANADA
>
>Wildlife Photographs: http://www.telyt.com/
>Personal Web-pages: http://www3.telus.net/~telyt
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From: "Gary Pinkerton" <gpinkcp@xxxxxxx>
Subject: [LRflex] Re: R-10 Survey Results...
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:08:27 -0500
Thanks David
Interesting outcome.
>From: David Young <telyt@xxxxxxxxx>
>Reply-To: leicareflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>To: leicareflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [LRflex] R-10 Survey Results...
>Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 23:01:21 -0700
>
>All:
>As promised, here are the results of the R-10 "Wish List" survey.
>
>Many people are very insistent that their pet feature is paramount,
>and that I must somehow take that into account. However, sometimes
>features, such as 'live view" , while intensely popular with a few,
>are deeply unpopular with most. I fear that many will not be pleased
>with the results!
>
>Please don't shoot me... I don't make up the answers... I just report
>them! The survey will go to Leica (in the form presented below)
>Wednesday.
>
>BTW: I am very disappointed with the turnout... of over 240 members,
>just over 50 bothered to complete the questionnaire. To all those
>who did, my most sincere thanks. You did a fine job and it was fun
>compiling the answers. :-)
>
>Cheers!
>
>David.
>
>
>-------------------------------
>
>
>[1] A fine grained 35mm film is equivalent to about 22 million
>pixels. However, given the current state of the art, the more pixels
>packed onto a chip, the smaller each one will be. Thus, more
>application is needed resulting in more "noise". OTOH, each
>generation of chips improves things a bit. Assuming that noise can
>be held to the same levels as currently enjoyed by the DMR, how many
>pixels would you like to see in the next "R" camera?
>
>[A] 10mp? 2.2%
>[B] 12mp? 10.9%
>[C] 14mp? 13.0%
>[D] 16mp? 23.9%
>[E] 18mp? 8.7%
>[F] 20mp? 23.9%
>[G] Don't care. 17.4%
>
>[2] Full frame sensors create their own problems with vignetting, due
>to the angle the light rays hit the outer pixels. This problem is
>less pronounced in reflex cameras than in rangefinder ones, due to
>the need to keep the rear lens elements out of the way of the mirror.
>And, they allow wide angle lenses to work as they were
>intended. APS-C sized sensors (as in the current DMR) are lower in
>cost, have virtually no vignetting problems and give an advantage to
>tele lens users. Your preference for sensor size would be...
>
>[A] Full Frame 56.5%
>[B] APS-C or 15.2%
>[C] somewhere in between? 28.3%
>
>
>[3] Sensor format: Many small "Point & Pray" digi-cameras use the
>16:9 aspect ratio of the new wide screen TV's. 35mm (and the M8, DMR
>and nearly all other dSLR's) uses the classic 3:2 format. Should
>the next "R" camera use
>
>[A] the classic 3:2 (35mm) format or 93.5%
>[B] the new 16:9 "wide screen" format? 4.3%
>
>
>[4] Many have criticized the R8 and R9 for their size.... yet praised
>them for their ergonomics. Would you prefer the mythical "R10" to be
>
>[A] similar in size to the R8 & R9, 41.3%
>[B] similar to the R8 or R9 with DMR (or motor drive) attached 8.7%
>[C] smaller, like the R4 through 7 models, 30.4%
>[D] somewhere in between the R7 and R9 or 19.6%
>[E} even larger than the R9 w/DMR? 0.0%
>
>
>[5] Newer, polycarbonate bodied cameras are considerably lighter than
>the current 'R' cameras from Leica. How important is it to you that
>the next generation be lighter bodies?
>
>[A] Very important 28.3 %
>[B] not important or 45.7 %
>[C] doesn't matter. 26.1 %
>
>
>[6] Current R cameras offer a variety of exposure modes... Aperture
>Priority, Shutter Priority, Programme mode and Manual. Please
>indicate which mode (A, S, P, M) you use the most and give a
>percentage of use. (For instance, I use only Aperture Priority, so
>my answer would be A - 100%. Someone else might be A - 60%, P -
>40%) Please list all modes you use and the percentages you use each one.
>
>Aperture Priority 56%
>Shutter Priority 5%
>Program Mode 16%
>Manual 23%
>
>
>[7] Current R cameras offer Spot, Center-weighted and Matrix
>metering. Please list the exposure modes (S,C,M) and the percentages
>of use for each, (as above).
>
>Spot metering: 39.4%
>Center-weighted: 22.2%
>Matrix Metering: 38.5%
>
>
>[8] Current Autofocus cameras utilize plastic (polycarbonate) lens
>barrels. Their lower mass means that they can be focused more quickly
>with smaller motors (read lightweight and longer battery
>life). Would you want the next R to have autofocus if it meant
>going to such lenses?
>
>[A] Yes. 42.2%
>[B] No. 57.8%
>
>
>[9] If Leica were able to build autofocus lenses that maintained the
>traditional Leica build quality and materials (as well as decent
>battery life), would you want the next 'R" camera to have
>autofocus?
>
>[A] Yes 52.2%
>[B] No. 47.8%
>
>
>[10] If you prefer not to have autofocus, or if you would use
>existing Leica MF lenses on the new 'R' camera, how important is
>focus confirmation?
>
>[A] Very important 28.3%
>[B] Somewhat important 47.8%
>[C] Not important at all. 24.4%
>
>
>
>[11] If Leica were (able) to design autofocus lenses for the 'R'
>series... such a change might necessitate a different lens
>mount. How important is it that any newer lens mount be compatible
>with your existing R lenses?
>
>[A] Absolutely must be compatible, 82.2%
>[B] it would be nice, but not absolutely necessary 15.6%
>[C] not important at all. 2.2%
>
>
>
>[12] If the lens mount were to be changed, it might be possible to
>make an adapter which would allow the use of existing lenses in
>Aperture Priority mode only. Would this route be
>
>[A] acceptable to you 73.3%
>[B] Not acceptable? 26.7%
>
>
>[13] How important is it to you to have a large LCD screen for
>menus/'chimping"?
>
>[A] Very important, 26.7%
>[B] somewhat important, 55.6%
>[C] not important. 17.8%
>
>
>[14] Bearing in mind that having "live view" in an SLR means
>siphoning some light from the finder to a second sensor, how
>important "live view" ... ie: the LCD screen constantly shows what
>the camera is "seeing"?
>
>[A] Very important 8.9%
>[B] somewhat important, 6.7%
>[C] not important. 84.4%
>
>
>[15] The R8 & R9 finders are amongst the brightest and best anywhere,
>and probably second only to the finders in the Leica SL. How
>important is finder brightness to you? Should the next 'R' camera's
>finder be:
>
>[A] as bright as the SL's finder, 44.4%
>[B] as bright as the R8/9, 37.8%
>[C] as bright as the R7 finder 8.9%
>[D] acceptable at a lower level of brightness. 6.7%
>
>
>[16] How important is battery life? Remember the longer the life,
>the larger (and heavier) the battery. So, within the constraints of
>reasonable weight and size (and the number of shot you take in an
>average day) , how many shots would you like to see on a single
>charge.
>
>[A] 150 (the current DMR's level) 20.0%
>[B] 190 (the current M8's level) 26.7%
>[C] 250 40.0%
>[D] 400 or more? 13.3%
>
>
>[17] Speed is an issue. Do you use a winder or motor with your
>current camera. How fast should the next "R" be capable of
>shooting?
>
>[A] 2 fps, 33.3%
>[B] 4 fps, 55.6%
>[C] 6 fps, 11.1%
>[C] more. 0.0%
>
>
>[18] The other speed issue is that of writing to the memory
>cards. Faster writing means you can empty the buffer and shoot more
>rapidly, but faster processors consume more battery power. To you, is
>
>
>[A] battery life more important than card writing speed, or 40.0%
>[B] speed of writing to cards more important than battery life? 60.0%
>
>
>[19] Mechanical noise is always a factor in any camera. Recently I
>used a Nikon D-200 and was pleasantly surprised at it's lower noise
>level. How important is it to you that the new "R" be mechanically
>quieter than the current models?
>
>[A] very important, 31.1%
>[B] not too important or 57.8%
>[C] not important at all. 11.1%
>
>
>[20] Price is always a factor. Remembering that the new M8 is
>approximately US$5000 and the R9/DMR combo is around $7,500, what
>would you expect pay for a new Leica 'R' - assuming it has most of
>the features you want?
>
>[A] $4000, 28.9%
>[B] $5000, 48.9%
>[C] $6000, 15.6%
>[D] $7000, 4.4%
>[E] $8000, 2.2%
>[F] More than $8000. 0.0%
>
>
>
>
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>
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>Logan Lake, CANADA
>
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>Personal Web-pages: http://www3.telus.net/~telyt
>
>
>
>
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From: "Aram Langhans" <leica_r8@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [LRflex] Re: R-10 Survey Results...
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:03:35 -0700
As someone who DID complete the survey, many thanks for this. Many options
seem to be a wash - close to 50/50. Some options are very strongly wanted
or not wanted. With such a small survey, it will be difficult to assign any
conficence interfals to many of the options, but it is interesting, and I
think you hit upon all the major options that Leica could take.
Aram
>From: David Young <telyt@xxxxxxxxx>
>Reply-To: leicareflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>To: leicareflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [LRflex] R-10 Survey Results...
>Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 23:01:21 -0700
>
>All:
>As promised, here are the results of the R-10 "Wish List" survey.
>
>Many people are very insistent that their pet feature is paramount,
>and that I must somehow take that into account. However, sometimes
>features, such as 'live view" , while intensely popular with a few,
>are deeply unpopular with most. I fear that many will not be pleased
>with the results!
>
>Please don't shoot me... I don't make up the answers... I just report
>them! The survey will go to Leica (in the form presented below)
>Wednesday.
>
>BTW: I am very disappointed with the turnout... of over 240 members,
>just over 50 bothered to complete the questionnaire. To all those
>who did, my most sincere thanks. You did a fine job and it was fun
>compiling the answers. :-)
>
>Cheers!
>
>David.
>
>
>-------------------------------
>
>
>[1] A fine grained 35mm film is equivalent to about 22 million
>pixels. However, given the current state of the art, the more pixels
>packed onto a chip, the smaller each one will be. Thus, more
>application is needed resulting in more "noise". OTOH, each
>generation of chips improves things a bit. Assuming that noise can
>be held to the same levels as currently enjoyed by the DMR, how many
>pixels would you like to see in the next "R" camera?
>
>[A] 10mp? 2.2%
>[B] 12mp? 10.9%
>[C] 14mp? 13.0%
>[D] 16mp? 23.9%
>[E] 18mp? 8.7%
>[F] 20mp? 23.9%
>[G] Don't care. 17.4%
>
>[2] Full frame sensors create their own problems with vignetting, due
>to the angle the light rays hit the outer pixels. This problem is
>less pronounced in reflex cameras than in rangefinder ones, due to
>the need to keep the rear lens elements out of the way of the mirror.
>And, they allow wide angle lenses to work as they were
>intended. APS-C sized sensors (as in the current DMR) are lower in
>cost, have virtually no vignetting problems and give an advantage to
>tele lens users. Your preference for sensor size would be...
>
>[A] Full Frame 56.5%
>[B] APS-C or 15.2%
>[C] somewhere in between? 28.3%
>
>
>[3] Sensor format: Many small "Point & Pray" digi-cameras use the
>16:9 aspect ratio of the new wide screen TV's. 35mm (and the M8, DMR
>and nearly all other dSLR's) uses the classic 3:2 format. Should
>the next "R" camera use
>
>[A] the classic 3:2 (35mm) format or 93.5%
>[B] the new 16:9 "wide screen" format? 4.3%
>
>
>[4] Many have criticized the R8 and R9 for their size.... yet praised
>them for their ergonomics. Would you prefer the mythical "R10" to be
>
>[A] similar in size to the R8 & R9, 41.3%
>[B] similar to the R8 or R9 with DMR (or motor drive) attached 8.7%
>[C] smaller, like the R4 through 7 models, 30.4%
>[D] somewhere in between the R7 and R9 or 19.6%
>[E} even larger than the R9 w/DMR? 0.0%
>
>
>[5] Newer, polycarbonate bodied cameras are considerably lighter than
>the current 'R' cameras from Leica. How important is it to you that
>the next generation be lighter bodies?
>
>[A] Very important 28.3 %
>[B] not important or 45.7 %
>[C] doesn't matter. 26.1 %
>
>
>[6] Current R cameras offer a variety of exposure modes... Aperture
>Priority, Shutter Priority, Programme mode and Manual. Please
>indicate which mode (A, S, P, M) you use the most and give a
>percentage of use. (For instance, I use only Aperture Priority, so
>my answer would be A - 100%. Someone else might be A - 60%, P -
>40%) Please list all modes you use and the percentages you use each one.
>
>Aperture Priority 56%
>Shutter Priority 5%
>Program Mode 16%
>Manual 23%
>
>
>[7] Current R cameras offer Spot, Center-weighted and Matrix
>metering. Please list the exposure modes (S,C,M) and the percentages
>of use for each, (as above).
>
>Spot metering: 39.4%
>Center-weighted: 22.2%
>Matrix Metering: 38.5%
>
>
>[8] Current Autofocus cameras utilize plastic (polycarbonate) lens
>barrels. Their lower mass means that they can be focused more quickly
>with smaller motors (read lightweight and longer battery
>life). Would you want the next R to have autofocus if it meant
>going to such lenses?
>
>[A] Yes. 42.2%
>[B] No. 57.8%
>
>
>[9] If Leica were able to build autofocus lenses that maintained the
>traditional Leica build quality and materials (as well as decent
>battery life), would you want the next 'R" camera to have
>autofocus?
>
>[A] Yes 52.2%
>[B] No. 47.8%
>
>
>[10] If you prefer not to have autofocus, or if you would use
>existing Leica MF lenses on the new 'R' camera, how important is
>focus confirmation?
>
>[A] Very important 28.3%
>[B] Somewhat important 47.8%
>[C] Not important at all. 24.4%
>
>
>
>[11] If Leica were (able) to design autofocus lenses for the 'R'
>series... such a change might necessitate a different lens
>mount. How important is it that any newer lens mount be compatible
>with your existing R lenses?
>
>[A] Absolutely must be compatible, 82.2%
>[B] it would be nice, but not absolutely necessary 15.6%
>[C] not important at all. 2.2%
>
>
>
>[12] If the lens mount were to be changed, it might be possible to
>make an adapter which would allow the use of existing lenses in
>Aperture Priority mode only. Would this route be
>
>[A] acceptable to you 73.3%
>[B] Not acceptable? 26.7%
>
>
>[13] How important is it to you to have a large LCD screen for
>menus/'chimping"?
>
>[A] Very important, 26.7%
>[B] somewhat important, 55.6%
>[C] not important. 17.8%
>
>
>[14] Bearing in mind that having "live view" in an SLR means
>siphoning some light from the finder to a second sensor, how
>important "live view" ... ie: the LCD screen constantly shows what
>the camera is "seeing"?
>
>[A] Very important 8.9%
>[B] somewhat important, 6.7%
>[C] not important. 84.4%
>
>
>[15] The R8 & R9 finders are amongst the brightest and best anywhere,
>and probably second only to the finders in the Leica SL. How
>important is finder brightness to you? Should the next 'R' camera's
>finder be:
>
>[A] as bright as the SL's finder, 44.4%
>[B] as bright as the R8/9, 37.8%
>[C] as bright as the R7 finder 8.9%
>[D] acceptable at a lower level of brightness. 6.7%
>
>
>[16] How important is battery life? Remember the longer the life,
>the larger (and heavier) the battery. So, within the constraints of
>reasonable weight and size (and the number of shot you take in an
>average day) , how many shots would you like to see on a single
>charge.
>
>[A] 150 (the current DMR's level) 20.0%
>[B] 190 (the current M8's level) 26.7%
>[C] 250 40.0%
>[D] 400 or more? 13.3%
>
>
>[17] Speed is an issue. Do you use a winder or motor with your
>current camera. How fast should the next "R" be capable of
>shooting?
>
>[A] 2 fps, 33.3%
>[B] 4 fps, 55.6%
>[C] 6 fps, 11.1%
>[C] more. 0.0%
>
>
>[18] The other speed issue is that of writing to the memory
>cards. Faster writing means you can empty the buffer and shoot more
>rapidly, but faster processors consume more battery power. To you, is
>
>
>[A] battery life more important than card writing speed, or 40.0%
>[B] speed of writing to cards more important than battery life? 60.0%
>
>
>[19] Mechanical noise is always a factor in any camera. Recently I
>used a Nikon D-200 and was pleasantly surprised at it's lower noise
>level. How important is it to you that the new "R" be mechanically
>quieter than the current models?
>
>[A] very important, 31.1%
>[B] not too important or 57.8%
>[C] not important at all. 11.1%
>
>
>[20] Price is always a factor. Remembering that the new M8 is
>approximately US$5000 and the R9/DMR combo is around $7,500, what
>would you expect pay for a new Leica 'R' - assuming it has most of
>the features you want?
>
>[A] $4000, 28.9%
>[B] $5000, 48.9%
>[C] $6000, 15.6%
>[D] $7000, 4.4%
>[E] $8000, 2.2%
>[F] More than $8000. 0.0%
>
>
>
>
>---
>
>David Young,
>Logan Lake, CANADA
>
>Wildlife Photographs: http://www.telyt.com/
>Personal Web-pages: http://www3.telus.net/~telyt
>
>
>
>
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From: William Abbott <wbabbott3@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [LRflex] Re: R-10 Survey Results...
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:29:56 -0700
David,
Thank you for the thoughtful survey choices and for compiling the
results. I'll tuck them away to compare with it when it arrives.
I hope Leica will find them useful in choosing their "point design"
among the many parameters.
All my best,
Bill
On Oct 24, 2006, at 11:01 PM, David Young wrote:
> All:
> As promised, here are the results of the R-10 "Wish List" survey.
>
> Many people are very insistent that their pet feature is paramount,
> and that I must somehow take that into account. However, sometimes
> features, such as 'live view" , while intensely popular with a few,
> are deeply unpopular with most. I fear that many will not be pleased
> with the results!
>
> Please don't shoot me... I don't make up the answers... I just report
> them! The survey will go to Leica (in the form presented below)
> Wednesday.
>
> BTW: I am very disappointed with the turnout... of over 240 members,
> just over 50 bothered to complete the questionnaire. To all those
> who did, my most sincere thanks. You did a fine job and it was fun
> compiling the answers. :-)
>
> Cheers!
>
> David.
>
>
> -------------------------------
>
>
> [1] A fine grained 35mm film is equivalent to about 22 million
> pixels. However, given the current state of the art, the more pixels
> packed onto a chip, the smaller each one will be. Thus, more
> application is needed resulting in more "noise". OTOH, each
> generation of chips improves things a bit. Assuming that noise can
> be held to the same levels as currently enjoyed by the DMR, how many
> pixels would you like to see in the next "R" camera?
>
> [A] 10mp? 2.2%
> [B] 12mp? 10.9%
> [C] 14mp? 13.0%
> [D] 16mp? 23.9%
> [E] 18mp? 8.7%
> [F] 20mp? 23.9%
> [G] Don't care. 17.4%
>
> [2] Full frame sensors create their own problems with vignetting, due
> to the angle the light rays hit the outer pixels. This problem is
> less pronounced in reflex cameras than in rangefinder ones, due to
> the need to keep the rear lens elements out of the way of the mirror.
> And, they allow wide angle lenses to work as they were
> intended. APS-C sized sensors (as in the current DMR) are lower in
> cost, have virtually no vignetting problems and give an advantage to
> tele lens users. Your preference for sensor size would be...
>
> [A] Full Frame 56.5%
> [B] APS-C or 15.2%
> [C] somewhere in between? 28.3%
>
>
> [3] Sensor format: Many small "Point & Pray" digi-cameras use the
> 16:9 aspect ratio of the new wide screen TV's. 35mm (and the M8, DMR
> and nearly all other dSLR's) uses the classic 3:2 format. Should
> the next "R" camera use
>
> [A] the classic 3:2 (35mm) format or 93.5%
> [B] the new 16:9 "wide screen" format? 4.3%
>
>
> [4] Many have criticized the R8 and R9 for their size.... yet praised
> them for their ergonomics. Would you prefer the mythical "R10" to be
>
> [A] similar in size to the R8 & R9, 41.3%
> [B] similar to the R8 or R9 with DMR (or motor drive) attached 8.7%
> [C] smaller, like the R4 through 7 models, 30.4%
> [D] somewhere in between the R7 and R9 or 19.6%
> [E} even larger than the R9 w/DMR? 0.0%
>
>
> [5] Newer, polycarbonate bodied cameras are considerably lighter than
> the current 'R' cameras from Leica. How important is it to you that
> the next generation be lighter bodies?
>
> [A] Very important 28.3 %
> [B] not important or 45.7 %
> [C] doesn't matter. 26.1 %
>
>
> [6] Current R cameras offer a variety of exposure modes... Aperture
> Priority, Shutter Priority, Programme mode and Manual. Please
> indicate which mode (A, S, P, M) you use the most and give a
> percentage of use. (For instance, I use only Aperture Priority, so
> my answer would be A - 100%. Someone else might be A - 60%, P -
> 40%) Please list all modes you use and the percentages you use
> each one.
>
> Aperture Priority 56%
> Shutter Priority 5%
> Program Mode 16%
> Manual 23%
>
>
> [7] Current R cameras offer Spot, Center-weighted and Matrix
> metering. Please list the exposure modes (S,C,M) and the percentages
> of use for each, (as above).
>
> Spot metering: 39.4%
> Center-weighted: 22.2%
> Matrix Metering: 38.5%
>
>
> [8] Current Autofocus cameras utilize plastic (polycarbonate) lens
> barrels. Their lower mass means that they can be focused more quickly
> with smaller motors (read lightweight and longer battery
> life). Would you want the next R to have autofocus if it meant
> going to such lenses?
>
> [A] Yes. 42.2%
> [B] No. 57.8%
>
>
> [9] If Leica were able to build autofocus lenses that maintained the
> traditional Leica build quality and materials (as well as decent
> battery life), would you want the next 'R" camera to have
> autofocus?
>
> [A] Yes 52.2%
> [B] No. 47.8%
>
>
> [10] If you prefer not to have autofocus, or if you would use
> existing Leica MF lenses on the new 'R' camera, how important is
> focus confirmation?
>
> [A] Very important 28.3%
> [B] Somewhat important 47.8%
> [C] Not important at all. 24.4%
>
>
>
> [11] If Leica were (able) to design autofocus lenses for the 'R'
> series... such a change might necessitate a different lens
> mount. How important is it that any newer lens mount be compatible
> with your existing R lenses?
>
> [A] Absolutely must be compatible, 82.2%
> [B] it would be nice, but not absolutely necessary 15.6%
> [C] not important at all. 2.2%
>
>
>
> [12] If the lens mount were to be changed, it might be possible to
> make an adapter which would allow the use of existing lenses in
> Aperture Priority mode only. Would this route be
>
> [A] acceptable to you 73.3%
> [B] Not acceptable? 26.7%
>
>
> [13] How important is it to you to have a large LCD screen for
> menus/'chimping"?
>
> [A] Very important, 26.7%
> [B] somewhat important, 55.6%
> [C] not important. 17.8%
>
>
> [14] Bearing in mind that having "live view" in an SLR means
> siphoning some light from the finder to a second sensor, how
> important "live view" ... ie: the LCD screen constantly shows what
> the camera is "seeing"?
>
> [A] Very important 8.9%
> [B] somewhat important, 6.7%
> [C] not important. 84.4%
>
>
> [15] The R8 & R9 finders are amongst the brightest and best anywhere,
> and probably second only to the finders in the Leica SL. How
> important is finder brightness to you? Should the next 'R' camera's
> finder be:
>
> [A] as bright as the SL's finder, 44.4%
> [B] as bright as the R8/9, 37.8%
> [C] as bright as the R7 finder 8.9%
> [D] acceptable at a lower level of brightness. 6.7%
>
>
> [16] How important is battery life? Remember the longer the life,
> the larger (and heavier) the battery. So, within the constraints of
> reasonable weight and size (and the number of shot you take in an
> average day) , how many shots would you like to see on a single
> charge.
>
> [A] 150 (the current DMR's level) 20.0%
> [B] 190 (the current M8's level) 26.7%
> [C] 250 40.0%
> [D] 400 or more? 13.3%
>
>
> [17] Speed is an issue. Do you use a winder or motor with your
> current camera. How fast should the next "R" be capable of
> shooting?
>
> [A] 2 fps, 33.3%
> [B] 4 fps, 55.6%
> [C] 6 fps, 11.1%
> [C] more. 0.0%
>
>
> [18] The other speed issue is that of writing to the memory
> cards. Faster writing means you can empty the buffer and shoot more
> rapidly, but faster processors consume more battery power. To you, is
>
>
> [A] battery life more important than card writing speed, or
> 40.0%
> [B] speed of writing to cards more important than battery life?
> 60.0%
>
>
> [19] Mechanical noise is always a factor in any camera. Recently I
> used a Nikon D-200 and was pleasantly surprised at it's lower noise
> level. How important is it to you that the new "R" be mechanically
> quieter than the current models?
>
> [A] very important, 31.1%
> [B] not too important or 57.8%
> [C] not important at all. 11.1%
>
>
> [20] Price is always a factor. Remembering that the new M8 is
> approximately US$5000 and the R9/DMR combo is around $7,500, what
> would you expect pay for a new Leica 'R' - assuming it has most of
> the features you want?
>
> [A] $4000, 28.9%
> [B] $5000, 48.9%
> [C] $6000, 15.6%
> [D] $7000, 4.4%
> [E] $8000, 2.2%
> [F] More than $8000. 0.0%
>
>
>
>
> ---
>
> David Young,
> Logan Lake, CANADA
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Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:52:09 -0700
From: David Young <telyt@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [LRflex] Re: R3 meter
At 25/10/2006, you wrote:
>Hi everyone!
>My name's Keith Longmore; I live in Norfolk, England. I have a
>(ridiculously, according to my wife) large collection of cameras, including
>quite a few spy and miniature cameras. Two of the collection are Leica
>Reflexes, an R-E, with macro lenses, and an R3. I use the R-E, which is
>immaculate, and get excellent results. However, the R3's meter doesn't
work
>- absolutely dead - (though the shutter is fine) and I was wondering if
>anyone out there might have any comments or information? I know it's much
>the same as the Minolta XE-1 (my daughter had one, on which the shutter
>failed, but it had a good meter, and I threw.it.away.! That was pre-R3.).
>Is it an expensive item to sort?
Hi Keith!
I cannot comment on the R3's meter, specifically. Although I no
longer have the data at hand, I know that Kindermann, the Canadian
repair agency used to charge a significant premium for a CLA on an R3
as compared to the late 'R' cameras. As well, they would only
guarantee the repairs for 90 days, even though all other repairs were
guaranteed for 12 months.
I'd ask around at some reputable UK repair shops... there are a few
independents specializing in Leica. They should be able to give you
more guidance.
Good luck! Keep us posted on what you find out, will you?
Cheers!
---
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Logan Lake, CANADA
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Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:57:03 +0100
From: Alex Hurst <corkflor@xxxxxx>
Subject: [LRflex] Re: R-10 Survey Results...
Aram wrote:
>As someone who DID complete the survey, many thanks for this. Many options
>seem to be a wash - close to 50/50. Some options are very strongly wanted
>or not wanted. With such a small survey, it will be difficult to assign
any
>conficence interfals to many of the options, but it is interesting, and I
>think you hit upon all the major options that Leica could take.
>
It is indeed a pity that apathy is alive and well, and that more
people didn't answer the questionnaire.
What is not generally realised about these sort of polls is the
importance of statistical error - commonly called standard
deviations. Most polls are happy with a plus/minus result of two SDs,
which means there's a 95+% probability of the results being accurate
within these limits for a random sample.
See:
http://www.robertniles.com/stats/stdev.shtml
for a pretty good layman's explanation.
The bigger the random sample, the more accurate the result is likely to be.
David's survey, of course, is not conducted amongst a random sample.
For instance, 100% of the respondents to the survey know what a Leica
R is. In the general population, I doubt if the figure is 1%.
Nevertheless, this is useful feedback to Leica, and bouquets to David
for taking the time and trouble to make it happen.
The one question he didn't ask is "Would you buy an R10 at this
price?" I wouldn't, and neither, regrettably, would I buy an M8. It's
a great camera undoubtedly. See my shots, if you haven't already, at:
http://www.iol.ie/~corkflor
and follow the Wetzlar link.
But I, for one, am very happy with my film Ms (not to mention my film
LTMs), and recently bought a Nikon D200 body at about a quarter of
the price of the M8. This is my only digital camera. Not only does it
deliver excellent results, but it will also work with most of my
large collection of manual focus Nikkors. No lens bar-coding - you
just tell the camera what focal length you're using and the maximum
aperture thereof. The camera even remembers the last one you used....
What I would be interested in, and so far I can't find any info, is
how many advance orders for the M8 Leica actually has. Be assured the
R10 will not happen unless the M8 is a runaway success, which I'm
sure we all hope it will be.
Best
Alex
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Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:00:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: Javier Perez <summarex@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [LRflex] Re: R3 meter
I think your best be might be to source a new R3 or
maybe an R4. R3s are under well 200 and R4es under
300. I'm guessing a metrer repair might run about 150
unless it happens to be very easy.
BTW: Does the needle swing all the way down when the
thing is turned on? Sometimes that can cause the
appearance that the meter is dead but it's not. Look
through the finder while powering up to find out. If
the needle deflects all the way, you may simply have a
dirty asa dial whuich you can clean yourself. Also
flick between spot and average and see if the needle
deflects any whyle changing metering modes. This too
might indicate a contact problem. Also, fiddle with
the asa dial.
Javier
--- KEITH LONGMORE <keith@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi everyone!
> My name's Keith Longmore; I live in Norfolk,
> England. I have a
> (ridiculously, according to my wife) large
> collection of cameras, including
> quite a few spy and miniature cameras. Two of the
> collection are Leica
> Reflexes, an R-E, with macro lenses, and an R3. I
> use the R-E, which is
> immaculate, and get excellent results. However, the
> R3's meter doesn't work
> - absolutely dead - (though the shutter is fine)
> and I was wondering if
> anyone out there might have any comments or
> information? I know it's much
> the same as the Minolta XE-1 (my daughter had one,
> on which the shutter
> failed, but it had a good meter, and I
> threw.it.away.! That was pre-R3.).
> Is it an expensive item to sort?
>
> Cheers folks
>
> Keith L
>
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Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:59:14 +0000 (GMT)
From: paul Moorhouse <quick0873@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [LRflex] new leica user almost
Hi everyone im new to the leica world of photography.
got myself an R4..body .next is an r lense ,maybe a elmarit 135mm.
got a massive collection of other cameras ..nikon ..mamiya..pentax.. russian
leica likes..
olympus .canon..looking forward to using my leica.
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Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:13:04 -0700
From: David Young <telyt@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [LRflex] Re: new leica user almost
At 25/10/2006, you wrote:
>Hi everyone im new to the leica world of photography.
>got myself an R4..body .next is an r lense ,maybe a elmarit 135mm.
>got a massive collection of other cameras ..nikon ..mamiya..pentax..
>russian leica likes..
>olympus .canon..looking forward to using my leica.
Welcome, Paul, to the zoo!
You'll find us a diverse, polite and friendly lot. There's a lot of
expertise here, so if you have questions, ask away!
You mention a "massive collection" ... are you more of a collector
than a user? Or the other way 'round?
No matter, all lovers of Leica are welcome here! (Though your R4
*will* work better with a lens! ;-) )
Good to have you on-board!
Cheers!
David (one of the Zoo keepers!)
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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 01:55:09 +0200
From: Douglas Sharp <douglas.sharp@xxxxxx>
Subject: [LRflex] Re: new leica user almost
Hello Paul,
have you tried taking the battery out and rubbing both sides of it on a
piece of coarse cloth, and check the contacts while you're at it. Is the
metering dead? Does the camera deliver longer and shorter shutter speeds
on automatic or
I nearly forgot - welcome to the zoo (as David wrote) - a finer
collection of rare denizens of the web is seldom to be found - it's
different from a circus, in circuses the animals have to do what their
keepers say (or at least do when they wield a whip). :-)
Cheers
Douglas
David Young wrote:
> At 25/10/2006, you wrote:
>
>
>> Hi everyone im new to the leica world of photography.
>> got myself an R4..body .next is an r lense ,maybe a elmarit 135mm.
>> got a massive collection of other cameras ..nikon ..mamiya..pentax..
>> russian leica likes..
>> olympus .canon..looking forward to using my leica.
>>
>
>
>
> Welcome, Paul, to the zoo!
>
> You'll find us a diverse, polite and friendly lot. There's a lot of
> expertise here, so if you have questions, ask away!
>
> You mention a "massive collection" ... are you more of a collector
> than a user? Or the other way 'round?
>
> No matter, all lovers of Leica are welcome here! (Though your R4
> *will* work better with a lens! ;-) )
>
> Good to have you on-board!
>
> Cheers!
>
> David (one of the Zoo keepers!)
>
>
>
>
>
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