[LRflex] Re: leicareflex Digest V3 #294

If I may dare make a suggestion - what about trying to get the R3 in a 
warm place - body temp or above but not HOT, for a while - when you 
think the whole camera has reached that temp, try firing the shutter 
repeatedly - if it does fire, it only wants a nice cleaning up as my 
R3MOT did two years ago (same symptoms as yours, they called it "gumming 
up?") - grease gets sticky and prevents normal operation after a while, 
a sure sign is when you "heat" the body, grease melts down and the 
shutter works fine- I'm not so sure this may help you, but you're right, 
the R3 is a greatly under-rated but ever so fine camera, I still wonder 
why (Portugal made maybe?).
Yours
Phileicangenieux


KEITH LONGMORE wrote:

>Hi all
>Many thanks to the replies to my first posting, and the R3 question - very
>interesting and helpful!  Douglas Sharp's comments:
>1.  Batteries are fine, and yes, I did clean them.  Contacts are fine.
>2.  Needle remains at the bottom whatever you do.
>3.  On automatic, the shutter opens, and stays open; the only way to close
>it again is to turn the speed dial off Auto - with difficulty; it won't move
>until the longest shutter opening has expired.
>Sounds like an open circuit sensor to me - but since there are three (?)
>that doesn't make sense.  If I remember correctly, the old Minolta had a lot
>of flexible printed circuits in it, so maybe one has cracked?
>
>Incidentally, the thing that has 'switched me on' with these Leicas is the
>excellent smoothness, and quietness of the shutter, especially the R3.
>As well as super-sharp photos.  My Canon EOS 600 shutter goes with quite a
>jolt and is really noisy (as is its auto focus), and the Canon zoom lenses
>are nowhere near as sharp as the Leica ones.
>
>Cheers for now.
>Keith L
>
>
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>leicareflex Digest     Wed, 25 Oct 2006        Volume: 03  Issue: 294
>
>In This Issue:
>               [LRflex] Re: R-10 Survey Results...
>               [LRflex] R3 meter
>               [LRflex] Re: R-10 Survey Results...
>               [LRflex] Re: R-10 Survey Results...
>               [LRflex] Re: R-10 Survey Results...
>               [LRflex] Re: R-10 Survey Results...
>               [LRflex] Re: R3 meter
>               [LRflex] Re: R-10 Survey Results...
>               [LRflex] Re: R3 meter
>               [LRflex] new leica user almost
>               [LRflex] Re: new leica user almost
>               [LRflex] Re: new leica user almost
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>From: "Chris Birchenhall" <chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: [LRflex] Re: R-10 Survey Results...
>Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:01:13 +0100
>
>David 
>
>Thanks for all your efforts and reporting back.
>
>Chris
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: leicareflex-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:leicareflex-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Young
>Sent: 25 October 2006 07:01
>To: leicareflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [LRflex] R-10 Survey Results...
>
>All:
>As promised, here are the results of the R-10 "Wish List" survey.
>
>Many people are very insistent that their pet feature is paramount, 
>and that I must somehow take that into account.  However, sometimes 
>features, such as 'live view" , while intensely popular with a few, 
>are deeply unpopular with most.  I fear that many will not be pleased 
>with the results!
>
>Please don't shoot me... I don't make up the answers... I just report 
>them!  The survey will go to Leica (in the form presented below)  Wednesday.
>
>BTW: I am very disappointed with the turnout... of over 240 members, 
>just over 50 bothered to complete the questionnaire.  To all those 
>who did, my most sincere thanks.  You did a fine job and it was fun 
>compiling the answers. :-)
>
>Cheers!
>
>David.
>
>
>-------------------------------
>
>
>[1]   A fine grained 35mm film is equivalent to about 22 million
>pixels. However, given the current state of the art, the more pixels
>packed onto a chip, the smaller each one will be. Thus, more
>application is needed resulting in more "noise".  OTOH, each
>generation of chips improves things a bit.  Assuming that noise can
>be held to the same levels as currently enjoyed by the DMR, how many
>pixels would you like to see in the next "R" camera?
>
>[A] 10mp?            2.2%
>[B] 12mp?           10.9%
>[C] 14mp?           13.0%
>[D] 16mp?           23.9%
>[E] 18mp?            8.7%
>[F] 20mp?           23.9%
>[G] Don't care.     17.4%
>
>[2] Full frame sensors create their own problems with vignetting, due
>to the angle the light rays hit the outer pixels.  This problem is
>less pronounced in reflex cameras than in rangefinder ones, due to
>the need to keep the rear lens elements out of the way of the mirror.
>And, they allow wide angle lenses to work as they were
>intended.  APS-C sized sensors (as in the current DMR) are lower in
>cost, have virtually no vignetting problems and give an advantage to
>tele lens users.  Your preference for sensor size would be...
>
>[A] Full Frame              56.5%
>[B] APS-C or                15.2%
>[C] somewhere in between?   28.3%
>
>
>[3] Sensor format:   Many small "Point & Pray" digi-cameras use the
>16:9 aspect ratio of the new wide screen TV's.  35mm (and the M8, DMR
>and nearly all other dSLR's) uses the classic 3:2 format.   Should
>the next "R" camera use
>
>[A] the classic 3:2 (35mm) format or             93.5%
>[B] the new 16:9 "wide screen" format?            4.3%
>
>
>[4] Many have criticized the R8 and R9 for their size.... yet praised
>them for their ergonomics.  Would you prefer the mythical "R10" to be
>
>[A] similar in size to the R8 & R9,                             41.3%
>[B] similar to the R8 or R9 with DMR (or motor drive) attached   8.7%
>[C] smaller, like the R4 through 7 models,                      30.4%
>[D] somewhere in between the R7 and R9 or                       19.6%
>[E} even larger than the R9 w/DMR?                               0.0%
>
>
>[5] Newer, polycarbonate bodied cameras are considerably lighter than
>the current 'R' cameras from Leica.  How important is it to you that
>the next generation be lighter bodies?
>
>[A] Very important       28.3 %
>[B] not important or     45.7 %
>[C] doesn't matter.      26.1 %
>
>
>[6] Current R cameras offer a variety of exposure modes... Aperture
>Priority,  Shutter Priority, Programme mode and Manual.  Please
>indicate which mode (A, S, P, M) you use the most and give a
>percentage of use.  (For instance, I use only Aperture Priority, so
>my answer would be A - 100%.   Someone else might be A - 60%, P -
>40%)  Please list all modes you use and the percentages you use each one.
>
>Aperture Priority     56%
>Shutter Priority       5%
>Program Mode          16%
>Manual                23%
>
>
>[7] Current R cameras offer Spot, Center-weighted and Matrix
>metering.  Please list the exposure modes (S,C,M) and the percentages
>of use for each, (as above).
>
>Spot metering:          39.4%
>Center-weighted:        22.2%
>Matrix Metering:        38.5%
>
>
>[8] Current Autofocus cameras utilize plastic (polycarbonate) lens
>barrels. Their lower mass means that they can be focused more quickly
>with smaller motors (read lightweight and longer battery
>life).   Would you want the next R to have autofocus if it meant
>going to such lenses?
>
>[A] Yes.   42.2%
>[B] No.    57.8%
>
>
>[9] If Leica were able to build autofocus lenses that maintained the
>traditional Leica build quality and materials (as well as decent
>battery life), would you want the next 'R" camera to have
>autofocus?
>
>[A] Yes    52.2%
>[B] No.    47.8%
>
>
>[10] If you prefer not to have autofocus, or if you would use
>existing Leica MF lenses on the new 'R' camera, how important is
>focus confirmation?
>
>[A] Very important                28.3%
>[B] Somewhat important            47.8%
>[C] Not important at all.         24.4%
>
>
>
>[11] If  Leica were (able) to design autofocus lenses for the 'R'
>series... such a change might necessitate a different lens
>mount.  How important is it that any newer lens mount be compatible
>with your existing R lenses?
>
>[A] Absolutely must be compatible,                         82.2%
>[B] it would be nice, but not absolutely necessary         15.6%
>[C] not important at all.                                   2.2%
>
>
>
>[12] If the lens mount were to be changed,  it might be possible to
>make an adapter which would allow the use of existing lenses in
>Aperture Priority mode only.  Would this route be
>
>[A] acceptable to you    73.3%
>[B] Not acceptable?      26.7%
>
>
>[13] How important is it to you to have a large LCD screen for
>menus/'chimping"?
>
>[A] Very important,           26.7%
>[B] somewhat important,       55.6%
>[C] not important.            17.8%
>
>
>[14]  Bearing in mind that having "live view" in an SLR means
>siphoning some light from the finder to a second sensor, how
>important "live view" ... ie: the LCD screen constantly shows what
>the camera is "seeing"?
>
>[A] Very important              8.9%
>[B] somewhat important,         6.7%
>[C] not important.             84.4%
>
>
>[15] The R8 & R9 finders are amongst the brightest and best anywhere,
>and probably second only to the finders in the Leica SL.  How
>important is finder brightness to you?  Should the next 'R' camera's
>finder be:
>
>[A] as bright as the SL's finder,                            44.4%
>[B] as bright as the R8/9,                                   37.8%
>[C] as bright as the R7 finder                                8.9%
>[D] acceptable at a lower level of brightness.                6.7%
>
>
>[16] How important is battery life?  Remember the longer the life,
>the larger (and heavier) the battery.  So, within the constraints of
>reasonable weight and size (and the number of shot you take in an
>average day) , how many shots would you like to see on a single
>charge.
>
>[A] 150 (the current DMR's level)      20.0%
>[B] 190 (the current M8's level)       26.7%
>[C] 250                                40.0%
>[D] 400 or more?                       13.3%
>
>
>[17] Speed is an issue.  Do you use a winder or motor with your
>current camera.  How fast should the next "R" be capable of
>shooting?
>
>[A] 2 fps,     33.3%
>[B] 4 fps,     55.6%
>[C] 6 fps,     11.1%
>[C] more.      0.0%
>
>
>[18] The other speed issue is that of writing to the memory
>cards.  Faster writing means you can empty the buffer and shoot more
>rapidly, but faster processors consume more battery power.  To you, is
>
>
>[A] battery life more important than card writing speed, or        40.0%
>[B] speed of writing to cards more important than battery life?    60.0%
>
>
>[19] Mechanical noise is always a factor in any camera.  Recently I
>used a Nikon D-200 and was pleasantly surprised at it's lower noise
>level.  How important is it to you that the new "R" be mechanically
>quieter than the current models?
>
>[A] very important,         31.1%
>[B] not too important or    57.8%
>[C] not important at all.   11.1%
>
>
>[20] Price is always a factor.  Remembering that the new M8 is
>approximately US$5000 and the R9/DMR combo is around $7,500, what
>would you expect pay for a new Leica 'R' - assuming it has most of
>the features you want?
>
>[A] $4000,                  28.9%
>[B] $5000,                  48.9%
>[C] $6000,                  15.6%
>[D] $7000,                   4.4%
>[E] $8000,                   2.2%
>[F] More than $8000.         0.0%
>
>
>
>
>---
>
>David Young,
>Logan Lake, CANADA
>
>Wildlife Photographs: http://www.telyt.com/
>Personal Web-pages: http://www3.telus.net/~telyt
>
>
>
>
>
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>------------------------------
>
>From: "KEITH LONGMORE" <keith@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: [LRflex] R3 meter
>Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:32:25 +0100
>
>Hi everyone!
>My name's Keith Longmore; I live in Norfolk, England.  I have a
>(ridiculously, according to my wife) large collection of cameras, including
>quite a few spy and miniature cameras.  Two of the collection are Leica
>Reflexes, an R-E, with macro lenses, and an R3.  I use the R-E, which is
>immaculate, and get excellent results.  However, the R3's meter doesn't work
>- absolutely dead -  (though the shutter is fine) and I was wondering if
>anyone out there might have any comments or information?  I know it's much
>the same as the Minolta XE-1 (my daughter had one, on which the shutter
>failed, but it had a good meter, and I threw.it.away.!  That was pre-R3.).
>Is it an expensive item to sort?
>
>Cheers folks
>
>Keith L
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:58:41 +0200
>From: Philippe Amard <phamard@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: [LRflex] Re: R-10 Survey Results...
>
>Plus one - Great job indeed - now we have a profile  :-)
>I had added some concerns about dust, dampness flash photography, and 
>others, did you  get much of this type of  remarks ? If so, perhaps you 
>could just post a list of the "other things" to look at. If you still 
>have time and energy for it of course. I guess this survey was somewhat 
>time-consuming and I'm also sorry only a portion of dedicated Leica 
>users has answered.
>
>Thanks again
>Phileicangenieux
>
>
>Chris Birchenhall wrote:
>
>  
>
>>David 
>>
>>Thanks for all your efforts and reporting back.
>>
>>Chris
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: leicareflex-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>[mailto:leicareflex-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Young
>>Sent: 25 October 2006 07:01
>>To: leicareflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Subject: [LRflex] R-10 Survey Results...
>>
>>All:
>>As promised, here are the results of the R-10 "Wish List" survey.
>>
>>Many people are very insistent that their pet feature is paramount, 
>>and that I must somehow take that into account.  However, sometimes 
>>features, such as 'live view" , while intensely popular with a few, 
>>are deeply unpopular with most.  I fear that many will not be pleased 
>>with the results!
>>
>>Please don't shoot me... I don't make up the answers... I just report 
>>them!  The survey will go to Leica (in the form presented below)
>>    
>>
>Wednesday.
>  
>
>>BTW: I am very disappointed with the turnout... of over 240 members, 
>>just over 50 bothered to complete the questionnaire.  To all those 
>>who did, my most sincere thanks.  You did a fine job and it was fun 
>>compiling the answers. :-)
>>
>>Cheers!
>>
>>David.
>>
>>
>>-------------------------------
>>
>>
>>[1]   A fine grained 35mm film is equivalent to about 22 million
>>pixels. However, given the current state of the art, the more pixels
>>packed onto a chip, the smaller each one will be. Thus, more
>>application is needed resulting in more "noise".  OTOH, each
>>generation of chips improves things a bit.  Assuming that noise can
>>be held to the same levels as currently enjoyed by the DMR, how many
>>pixels would you like to see in the next "R" camera?
>>
>>[A] 10mp?            2.2%
>>[B] 12mp?           10.9%
>>[C] 14mp?           13.0%
>>[D] 16mp?           23.9%
>>[E] 18mp?            8.7%
>>[F] 20mp?           23.9%
>>[G] Don't care.     17.4%
>>
>>[2] Full frame sensors create their own problems with vignetting, due
>>to the angle the light rays hit the outer pixels.  This problem is
>>less pronounced in reflex cameras than in rangefinder ones, due to
>>the need to keep the rear lens elements out of the way of the mirror.
>>And, they allow wide angle lenses to work as they were
>>intended.  APS-C sized sensors (as in the current DMR) are lower in
>>cost, have virtually no vignetting problems and give an advantage to
>>tele lens users.  Your preference for sensor size would be...
>>
>>[A] Full Frame              56.5%
>>[B] APS-C or                15.2%
>>[C] somewhere in between?   28.3%
>>
>>
>>[3] Sensor format:   Many small "Point & Pray" digi-cameras use the
>>16:9 aspect ratio of the new wide screen TV's.  35mm (and the M8, DMR
>>and nearly all other dSLR's) uses the classic 3:2 format.   Should
>>the next "R" camera use
>>
>>[A] the classic 3:2 (35mm) format or             93.5%
>>[B] the new 16:9 "wide screen" format?            4.3%
>>
>>
>>[4] Many have criticized the R8 and R9 for their size.... yet praised
>>them for their ergonomics.  Would you prefer the mythical "R10" to be
>>
>>[A] similar in size to the R8 & R9,                             41.3%
>>[B] similar to the R8 or R9 with DMR (or motor drive) attached   8.7%
>>[C] smaller, like the R4 through 7 models,                      30.4%
>>[D] somewhere in between the R7 and R9 or                       19.6%
>>[E} even larger than the R9 w/DMR?                               0.0%
>>
>>
>>[5] Newer, polycarbonate bodied cameras are considerably lighter than
>>the current 'R' cameras from Leica.  How important is it to you that
>>the next generation be lighter bodies?
>>
>>[A] Very important       28.3 %
>>[B] not important or     45.7 %
>>[C] doesn't matter.      26.1 %
>>
>>
>>[6] Current R cameras offer a variety of exposure modes... Aperture
>>Priority,  Shutter Priority, Programme mode and Manual.  Please
>>indicate which mode (A, S, P, M) you use the most and give a
>>percentage of use.  (For instance, I use only Aperture Priority, so
>>my answer would be A - 100%.   Someone else might be A - 60%, P -
>>40%)  Please list all modes you use and the percentages you use each one.
>>
>>Aperture Priority     56%
>>Shutter Priority       5%
>>Program Mode          16%
>>Manual                23%
>>
>>
>>[7] Current R cameras offer Spot, Center-weighted and Matrix
>>metering.  Please list the exposure modes (S,C,M) and the percentages
>>of use for each, (as above).
>>
>>Spot metering:          39.4%
>>Center-weighted:        22.2%
>>Matrix Metering:        38.5%
>>
>>
>>[8] Current Autofocus cameras utilize plastic (polycarbonate) lens
>>barrels. Their lower mass means that they can be focused more quickly
>>with smaller motors (read lightweight and longer battery
>>life).   Would you want the next R to have autofocus if it meant
>>going to such lenses?
>>
>>[A] Yes.   42.2%
>>[B] No.    57.8%
>>
>>
>>[9] If Leica were able to build autofocus lenses that maintained the
>>traditional Leica build quality and materials (as well as decent
>>battery life), would you want the next 'R" camera to have
>>autofocus?
>>
>>[A] Yes    52.2%
>>[B] No.    47.8%
>>
>>
>>[10] If you prefer not to have autofocus, or if you would use
>>existing Leica MF lenses on the new 'R' camera, how important is
>>focus confirmation?
>>
>>[A] Very important                28.3%
>>[B] Somewhat important            47.8%
>>[C] Not important at all.         24.4%
>>
>>
>>
>>[11] If  Leica were (able) to design autofocus lenses for the 'R'
>>series... such a change might necessitate a different lens
>>mount.  How important is it that any newer lens mount be compatible
>>with your existing R lenses?
>>
>>[A] Absolutely must be compatible,                         82.2%
>>[B] it would be nice, but not absolutely necessary         15.6%
>>[C] not important at all.                                   2.2%
>>
>>
>>
>>[12] If the lens mount were to be changed,  it might be possible to
>>make an adapter which would allow the use of existing lenses in
>>Aperture Priority mode only.  Would this route be
>>
>>[A] acceptable to you    73.3%
>>[B] Not acceptable?      26.7%
>>
>>
>>[13] How important is it to you to have a large LCD screen for
>>menus/'chimping"?
>>
>>[A] Very important,           26.7%
>>[B] somewhat important,       55.6%
>>[C] not important.            17.8%
>>
>>
>>[14]  Bearing in mind that having "live view" in an SLR means
>>siphoning some light from the finder to a second sensor, how
>>important "live view" ... ie: the LCD screen constantly shows what
>>the camera is "seeing"?
>>
>>[A] Very important              8.9%
>>[B] somewhat important,         6.7%
>>[C] not important.             84.4%
>>
>>
>>[15] The R8 & R9 finders are amongst the brightest and best anywhere,
>>and probably second only to the finders in the Leica SL.  How
>>important is finder brightness to you?  Should the next 'R' camera's
>>finder be:
>>
>>[A] as bright as the SL's finder,                            44.4%
>>[B] as bright as the R8/9,                                   37.8%
>>[C] as bright as the R7 finder                                8.9%
>>[D] acceptable at a lower level of brightness.                6.7%
>>
>>
>>[16] How important is battery life?  Remember the longer the life,
>>the larger (and heavier) the battery.  So, within the constraints of
>>reasonable weight and size (and the number of shot you take in an
>>average day) , how many shots would you like to see on a single
>>charge.
>>
>>[A] 150 (the current DMR's level)      20.0%
>>[B] 190 (the current M8's level)       26.7%
>>[C] 250                                40.0%
>>[D] 400 or more?                       13.3%
>>
>>
>>[17] Speed is an issue.  Do you use a winder or motor with your
>>current camera.  How fast should the next "R" be capable of
>>shooting?
>>
>>[A] 2 fps,     33.3%
>>[B] 4 fps,     55.6%
>>[C] 6 fps,     11.1%
>>[C] more.      0.0%
>>
>>
>>[18] The other speed issue is that of writing to the memory
>>cards.  Faster writing means you can empty the buffer and shoot more
>>rapidly, but faster processors consume more battery power.  To you, is
>>
>>
>>[A] battery life more important than card writing speed, or        40.0%
>>[B] speed of writing to cards more important than battery life?    60.0%
>>
>>
>>[19] Mechanical noise is always a factor in any camera.  Recently I
>>used a Nikon D-200 and was pleasantly surprised at it's lower noise
>>level.  How important is it to you that the new "R" be mechanically
>>quieter than the current models?
>>
>>[A] very important,         31.1%
>>[B] not too important or    57.8%
>>[C] not important at all.   11.1%
>>
>>
>>[20] Price is always a factor.  Remembering that the new M8 is
>>approximately US$5000 and the R9/DMR combo is around $7,500, what
>>would you expect pay for a new Leica 'R' - assuming it has most of
>>the features you want?
>>
>>[A] $4000,                  28.9%
>>[B] $5000,                  48.9%
>>[C] $6000,                  15.6%
>>[D] $7000,                   4.4%
>>[E] $8000,                   2.2%
>>[F] More than $8000.         0.0%
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>---
>>
>>David Young,
>>Logan Lake, CANADA
>>
>>Wildlife Photographs: http://www.telyt.com/
>>Personal Web-pages: http://www3.telus.net/~telyt
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
>From: "Gary Pinkerton" <gpinkcp@xxxxxxx>
>Subject: [LRflex] Re: R-10 Survey Results...
>Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:08:27 -0500
>
>Thanks David
>Interesting outcome.
>
>
>  
>
>>From: David Young <telyt@xxxxxxxxx>
>>Reply-To: leicareflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>To: leicareflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Subject: [LRflex] R-10 Survey Results...
>>Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 23:01:21 -0700
>>
>>All:
>>As promised, here are the results of the R-10 "Wish List" survey.
>>
>>Many people are very insistent that their pet feature is paramount,
>>and that I must somehow take that into account.  However, sometimes
>>features, such as 'live view" , while intensely popular with a few,
>>are deeply unpopular with most.  I fear that many will not be pleased
>>with the results!
>>
>>Please don't shoot me... I don't make up the answers... I just report
>>them!  The survey will go to Leica (in the form presented below)  
>>Wednesday.
>>
>>BTW: I am very disappointed with the turnout... of over 240 members,
>>just over 50 bothered to complete the questionnaire.  To all those
>>who did, my most sincere thanks.  You did a fine job and it was fun
>>compiling the answers. :-)
>>
>>Cheers!
>>
>>David.
>>
>>
>>-------------------------------
>>
>>
>>[1]   A fine grained 35mm film is equivalent to about 22 million
>>pixels. However, given the current state of the art, the more pixels
>>packed onto a chip, the smaller each one will be. Thus, more
>>application is needed resulting in more "noise".  OTOH, each
>>generation of chips improves things a bit.  Assuming that noise can
>>be held to the same levels as currently enjoyed by the DMR, how many
>>pixels would you like to see in the next "R" camera?
>>
>>[A] 10mp?            2.2%
>>[B] 12mp?           10.9%
>>[C] 14mp?           13.0%
>>[D] 16mp?           23.9%
>>[E] 18mp?            8.7%
>>[F] 20mp?           23.9%
>>[G] Don't care.     17.4%
>>
>>[2] Full frame sensors create their own problems with vignetting, due
>>to the angle the light rays hit the outer pixels.  This problem is
>>less pronounced in reflex cameras than in rangefinder ones, due to
>>the need to keep the rear lens elements out of the way of the mirror.
>>And, they allow wide angle lenses to work as they were
>>intended.  APS-C sized sensors (as in the current DMR) are lower in
>>cost, have virtually no vignetting problems and give an advantage to
>>tele lens users.  Your preference for sensor size would be...
>>
>>[A] Full Frame              56.5%
>>[B] APS-C or                15.2%
>>[C] somewhere in between?   28.3%
>>
>>
>>[3] Sensor format:   Many small "Point & Pray" digi-cameras use the
>>16:9 aspect ratio of the new wide screen TV's.  35mm (and the M8, DMR
>>and nearly all other dSLR's) uses the classic 3:2 format.   Should
>>the next "R" camera use
>>
>>[A] the classic 3:2 (35mm) format or             93.5%
>>[B] the new 16:9 "wide screen" format?            4.3%
>>
>>
>>[4] Many have criticized the R8 and R9 for their size.... yet praised
>>them for their ergonomics.  Would you prefer the mythical "R10" to be
>>
>>[A] similar in size to the R8 & R9,                             41.3%
>>[B] similar to the R8 or R9 with DMR (or motor drive) attached   8.7%
>>[C] smaller, like the R4 through 7 models,                      30.4%
>>[D] somewhere in between the R7 and R9 or                       19.6%
>>[E} even larger than the R9 w/DMR?                               0.0%
>>
>>
>>[5] Newer, polycarbonate bodied cameras are considerably lighter than
>>the current 'R' cameras from Leica.  How important is it to you that
>>the next generation be lighter bodies?
>>
>>[A] Very important       28.3 %
>>[B] not important or     45.7 %
>>[C] doesn't matter.      26.1 %
>>
>>
>>[6] Current R cameras offer a variety of exposure modes... Aperture
>>Priority,  Shutter Priority, Programme mode and Manual.  Please
>>indicate which mode (A, S, P, M) you use the most and give a
>>percentage of use.  (For instance, I use only Aperture Priority, so
>>my answer would be A - 100%.   Someone else might be A - 60%, P -
>>40%)  Please list all modes you use and the percentages you use each one.
>>
>>Aperture Priority     56%
>>Shutter Priority       5%
>>Program Mode          16%
>>Manual                23%
>>
>>
>>[7] Current R cameras offer Spot, Center-weighted and Matrix
>>metering.  Please list the exposure modes (S,C,M) and the percentages
>>of use for each, (as above).
>>
>>Spot metering:          39.4%
>>Center-weighted:        22.2%
>>Matrix Metering:        38.5%
>>
>>
>>[8] Current Autofocus cameras utilize plastic (polycarbonate) lens
>>barrels. Their lower mass means that they can be focused more quickly
>>with smaller motors (read lightweight and longer battery
>>life).   Would you want the next R to have autofocus if it meant
>>going to such lenses?
>>
>>[A] Yes.   42.2%
>>[B] No.    57.8%
>>
>>
>>[9] If Leica were able to build autofocus lenses that maintained the
>>traditional Leica build quality and materials (as well as decent
>>battery life), would you want the next 'R" camera to have
>>autofocus?
>>
>>[A] Yes    52.2%
>>[B] No.    47.8%
>>
>>
>>[10] If you prefer not to have autofocus, or if you would use
>>existing Leica MF lenses on the new 'R' camera, how important is
>>focus confirmation?
>>
>>[A] Very important                28.3%
>>[B] Somewhat important            47.8%
>>[C] Not important at all.         24.4%
>>
>>
>>
>>[11] If  Leica were (able) to design autofocus lenses for the 'R'
>>series... such a change might necessitate a different lens
>>mount.  How important is it that any newer lens mount be compatible
>>with your existing R lenses?
>>
>>[A] Absolutely must be compatible,                         82.2%
>>[B] it would be nice, but not absolutely necessary         15.6%
>>[C] not important at all.                                   2.2%
>>
>>
>>
>>[12] If the lens mount were to be changed,  it might be possible to
>>make an adapter which would allow the use of existing lenses in
>>Aperture Priority mode only.  Would this route be
>>
>>[A] acceptable to you    73.3%
>>[B] Not acceptable?      26.7%
>>
>>
>>[13] How important is it to you to have a large LCD screen for
>>menus/'chimping"?
>>
>>[A] Very important,           26.7%
>>[B] somewhat important,       55.6%
>>[C] not important.            17.8%
>>
>>
>>[14]  Bearing in mind that having "live view" in an SLR means
>>siphoning some light from the finder to a second sensor, how
>>important "live view" ... ie: the LCD screen constantly shows what
>>the camera is "seeing"?
>>
>>[A] Very important              8.9%
>>[B] somewhat important,         6.7%
>>[C] not important.             84.4%
>>
>>
>>[15] The R8 & R9 finders are amongst the brightest and best anywhere,
>>and probably second only to the finders in the Leica SL.  How
>>important is finder brightness to you?  Should the next 'R' camera's
>>finder be:
>>
>>[A] as bright as the SL's finder,                            44.4%
>>[B] as bright as the R8/9,                                   37.8%
>>[C] as bright as the R7 finder                                8.9%
>>[D] acceptable at a lower level of brightness.                6.7%
>>
>>
>>[16] How important is battery life?  Remember the longer the life,
>>the larger (and heavier) the battery.  So, within the constraints of
>>reasonable weight and size (and the number of shot you take in an
>>average day) , how many shots would you like to see on a single
>>charge.
>>
>>[A] 150 (the current DMR's level)      20.0%
>>[B] 190 (the current M8's level)       26.7%
>>[C] 250                                40.0%
>>[D] 400 or more?                       13.3%
>>
>>
>>[17] Speed is an issue.  Do you use a winder or motor with your
>>current camera.  How fast should the next "R" be capable of
>>shooting?
>>
>>[A] 2 fps,     33.3%
>>[B] 4 fps,     55.6%
>>[C] 6 fps,     11.1%
>>[C] more.      0.0%
>>
>>
>>[18] The other speed issue is that of writing to the memory
>>cards.  Faster writing means you can empty the buffer and shoot more
>>rapidly, but faster processors consume more battery power.  To you, is
>>
>>
>>[A] battery life more important than card writing speed, or        40.0%
>>[B] speed of writing to cards more important than battery life?    60.0%
>>
>>
>>[19] Mechanical noise is always a factor in any camera.  Recently I
>>used a Nikon D-200 and was pleasantly surprised at it's lower noise
>>level.  How important is it to you that the new "R" be mechanically
>>quieter than the current models?
>>
>>[A] very important,         31.1%
>>[B] not too important or    57.8%
>>[C] not important at all.   11.1%
>>
>>
>>[20] Price is always a factor.  Remembering that the new M8 is
>>approximately US$5000 and the R9/DMR combo is around $7,500, what
>>would you expect pay for a new Leica 'R' - assuming it has most of
>>the features you want?
>>
>>[A] $4000,                  28.9%
>>[B] $5000,                  48.9%
>>[C] $6000,                  15.6%
>>[D] $7000,                   4.4%
>>[E] $8000,                   2.2%
>>[F] More than $8000.         0.0%
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>---
>>
>>David Young,
>>Logan Lake, CANADA
>>
>>Wildlife Photographs: http://www.telyt.com/
>>Personal Web-pages: http://www3.telus.net/~telyt
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
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>
>From: "Aram Langhans" <leica_r8@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: [LRflex] Re: R-10 Survey Results...
>Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:03:35 -0700
>
>As someone who DID complete the survey, many thanks for this.  Many options 
>seem to be a wash - close to 50/50.  Some options are very strongly wanted 
>or not wanted.  With such a small survey, it will be difficult to assign any
>
>conficence interfals to many of the options, but it is interesting, and I 
>think you hit upon all the major options that Leica could take.
>
>Aram
>
>
>
>  
>
>>From: David Young <telyt@xxxxxxxxx>
>>Reply-To: leicareflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>To: leicareflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Subject: [LRflex] R-10 Survey Results...
>>Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 23:01:21 -0700
>>
>>All:
>>As promised, here are the results of the R-10 "Wish List" survey.
>>
>>Many people are very insistent that their pet feature is paramount,
>>and that I must somehow take that into account.  However, sometimes
>>features, such as 'live view" , while intensely popular with a few,
>>are deeply unpopular with most.  I fear that many will not be pleased
>>with the results!
>>
>>Please don't shoot me... I don't make up the answers... I just report
>>them!  The survey will go to Leica (in the form presented below)  
>>Wednesday.
>>
>>BTW: I am very disappointed with the turnout... of over 240 members,
>>just over 50 bothered to complete the questionnaire.  To all those
>>who did, my most sincere thanks.  You did a fine job and it was fun
>>compiling the answers. :-)
>>
>>Cheers!
>>
>>David.
>>
>>
>>-------------------------------
>>
>>
>>[1]   A fine grained 35mm film is equivalent to about 22 million
>>pixels. However, given the current state of the art, the more pixels
>>packed onto a chip, the smaller each one will be. Thus, more
>>application is needed resulting in more "noise".  OTOH, each
>>generation of chips improves things a bit.  Assuming that noise can
>>be held to the same levels as currently enjoyed by the DMR, how many
>>pixels would you like to see in the next "R" camera?
>>
>>[A] 10mp?            2.2%
>>[B] 12mp?           10.9%
>>[C] 14mp?           13.0%
>>[D] 16mp?           23.9%
>>[E] 18mp?            8.7%
>>[F] 20mp?           23.9%
>>[G] Don't care.     17.4%
>>
>>[2] Full frame sensors create their own problems with vignetting, due
>>to the angle the light rays hit the outer pixels.  This problem is
>>less pronounced in reflex cameras than in rangefinder ones, due to
>>the need to keep the rear lens elements out of the way of the mirror.
>>And, they allow wide angle lenses to work as they were
>>intended.  APS-C sized sensors (as in the current DMR) are lower in
>>cost, have virtually no vignetting problems and give an advantage to
>>tele lens users.  Your preference for sensor size would be...
>>
>>[A] Full Frame              56.5%
>>[B] APS-C or                15.2%
>>[C] somewhere in between?   28.3%
>>
>>
>>[3] Sensor format:   Many small "Point & Pray" digi-cameras use the
>>16:9 aspect ratio of the new wide screen TV's.  35mm (and the M8, DMR
>>and nearly all other dSLR's) uses the classic 3:2 format.   Should
>>the next "R" camera use
>>
>>[A] the classic 3:2 (35mm) format or             93.5%
>>[B] the new 16:9 "wide screen" format?            4.3%
>>
>>
>>[4] Many have criticized the R8 and R9 for their size.... yet praised
>>them for their ergonomics.  Would you prefer the mythical "R10" to be
>>
>>[A] similar in size to the R8 & R9,                             41.3%
>>[B] similar to the R8 or R9 with DMR (or motor drive) attached   8.7%
>>[C] smaller, like the R4 through 7 models,                      30.4%
>>[D] somewhere in between the R7 and R9 or                       19.6%
>>[E} even larger than the R9 w/DMR?                               0.0%
>>
>>
>>[5] Newer, polycarbonate bodied cameras are considerably lighter than
>>the current 'R' cameras from Leica.  How important is it to you that
>>the next generation be lighter bodies?
>>
>>[A] Very important       28.3 %
>>[B] not important or     45.7 %
>>[C] doesn't matter.      26.1 %
>>
>>
>>[6] Current R cameras offer a variety of exposure modes... Aperture
>>Priority,  Shutter Priority, Programme mode and Manual.  Please
>>indicate which mode (A, S, P, M) you use the most and give a
>>percentage of use.  (For instance, I use only Aperture Priority, so
>>my answer would be A - 100%.   Someone else might be A - 60%, P -
>>40%)  Please list all modes you use and the percentages you use each one.
>>
>>Aperture Priority     56%
>>Shutter Priority       5%
>>Program Mode          16%
>>Manual                23%
>>
>>
>>[7] Current R cameras offer Spot, Center-weighted and Matrix
>>metering.  Please list the exposure modes (S,C,M) and the percentages
>>of use for each, (as above).
>>
>>Spot metering:          39.4%
>>Center-weighted:        22.2%
>>Matrix Metering:        38.5%
>>
>>
>>[8] Current Autofocus cameras utilize plastic (polycarbonate) lens
>>barrels. Their lower mass means that they can be focused more quickly
>>with smaller motors (read lightweight and longer battery
>>life).   Would you want the next R to have autofocus if it meant
>>going to such lenses?
>>
>>[A] Yes.   42.2%
>>[B] No.    57.8%
>>
>>
>>[9] If Leica were able to build autofocus lenses that maintained the
>>traditional Leica build quality and materials (as well as decent
>>battery life), would you want the next 'R" camera to have
>>autofocus?
>>
>>[A] Yes    52.2%
>>[B] No.    47.8%
>>
>>
>>[10] If you prefer not to have autofocus, or if you would use
>>existing Leica MF lenses on the new 'R' camera, how important is
>>focus confirmation?
>>
>>[A] Very important                28.3%
>>[B] Somewhat important            47.8%
>>[C] Not important at all.         24.4%
>>
>>
>>
>>[11] If  Leica were (able) to design autofocus lenses for the 'R'
>>series... such a change might necessitate a different lens
>>mount.  How important is it that any newer lens mount be compatible
>>with your existing R lenses?
>>
>>[A] Absolutely must be compatible,                         82.2%
>>[B] it would be nice, but not absolutely necessary         15.6%
>>[C] not important at all.                                   2.2%
>>
>>
>>
>>[12] If the lens mount were to be changed,  it might be possible to
>>make an adapter which would allow the use of existing lenses in
>>Aperture Priority mode only.  Would this route be
>>
>>[A] acceptable to you    73.3%
>>[B] Not acceptable?      26.7%
>>
>>
>>[13] How important is it to you to have a large LCD screen for
>>menus/'chimping"?
>>
>>[A] Very important,           26.7%
>>[B] somewhat important,       55.6%
>>[C] not important.            17.8%
>>
>>
>>[14]  Bearing in mind that having "live view" in an SLR means
>>siphoning some light from the finder to a second sensor, how
>>important "live view" ... ie: the LCD screen constantly shows what
>>the camera is "seeing"?
>>
>>[A] Very important              8.9%
>>[B] somewhat important,         6.7%
>>[C] not important.             84.4%
>>
>>
>>[15] The R8 & R9 finders are amongst the brightest and best anywhere,
>>and probably second only to the finders in the Leica SL.  How
>>important is finder brightness to you?  Should the next 'R' camera's
>>finder be:
>>
>>[A] as bright as the SL's finder,                            44.4%
>>[B] as bright as the R8/9,                                   37.8%
>>[C] as bright as the R7 finder                                8.9%
>>[D] acceptable at a lower level of brightness.                6.7%
>>
>>
>>[16] How important is battery life?  Remember the longer the life,
>>the larger (and heavier) the battery.  So, within the constraints of
>>reasonable weight and size (and the number of shot you take in an
>>average day) , how many shots would you like to see on a single
>>charge.
>>
>>[A] 150 (the current DMR's level)      20.0%
>>[B] 190 (the current M8's level)       26.7%
>>[C] 250                                40.0%
>>[D] 400 or more?                       13.3%
>>
>>
>>[17] Speed is an issue.  Do you use a winder or motor with your
>>current camera.  How fast should the next "R" be capable of
>>shooting?
>>
>>[A] 2 fps,     33.3%
>>[B] 4 fps,     55.6%
>>[C] 6 fps,     11.1%
>>[C] more.      0.0%
>>
>>
>>[18] The other speed issue is that of writing to the memory
>>cards.  Faster writing means you can empty the buffer and shoot more
>>rapidly, but faster processors consume more battery power.  To you, is
>>
>>
>>[A] battery life more important than card writing speed, or        40.0%
>>[B] speed of writing to cards more important than battery life?    60.0%
>>
>>
>>[19] Mechanical noise is always a factor in any camera.  Recently I
>>used a Nikon D-200 and was pleasantly surprised at it's lower noise
>>level.  How important is it to you that the new "R" be mechanically
>>quieter than the current models?
>>
>>[A] very important,         31.1%
>>[B] not too important or    57.8%
>>[C] not important at all.   11.1%
>>
>>
>>[20] Price is always a factor.  Remembering that the new M8 is
>>approximately US$5000 and the R9/DMR combo is around $7,500, what
>>would you expect pay for a new Leica 'R' - assuming it has most of
>>the features you want?
>>
>>[A] $4000,                  28.9%
>>[B] $5000,                  48.9%
>>[C] $6000,                  15.6%
>>[D] $7000,                   4.4%
>>[E] $8000,                   2.2%
>>[F] More than $8000.         0.0%
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>---
>>
>>David Young,
>>Logan Lake, CANADA
>>
>>Wildlife Photographs: http://www.telyt.com/
>>Personal Web-pages: http://www3.telus.net/~telyt
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>From: William Abbott <wbabbott3@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: [LRflex] Re: R-10 Survey Results...
>Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:29:56 -0700
>
>David,
>
>Thank you for the thoughtful survey choices and for compiling the  
>results.  I'll tuck them away to compare with it when it arrives.
>I hope Leica will find them useful in choosing their "point design"  
>among the many parameters.
>
>All my best,
>
>Bill
>
>
>On Oct 24, 2006, at 11:01 PM, David Young wrote:
>
>  
>
>>All:
>>As promised, here are the results of the R-10 "Wish List" survey.
>>
>>Many people are very insistent that their pet feature is paramount,
>>and that I must somehow take that into account.  However, sometimes
>>features, such as 'live view" , while intensely popular with a few,
>>are deeply unpopular with most.  I fear that many will not be pleased
>>with the results!
>>
>>Please don't shoot me... I don't make up the answers... I just report
>>them!  The survey will go to Leica (in the form presented below)   
>>Wednesday.
>>
>>BTW: I am very disappointed with the turnout... of over 240 members,
>>just over 50 bothered to complete the questionnaire.  To all those
>>who did, my most sincere thanks.  You did a fine job and it was fun
>>compiling the answers. :-)
>>
>>Cheers!
>>
>>David.
>>
>>
>>-------------------------------
>>
>>
>>[1]   A fine grained 35mm film is equivalent to about 22 million
>>pixels. However, given the current state of the art, the more pixels
>>packed onto a chip, the smaller each one will be. Thus, more
>>application is needed resulting in more "noise".  OTOH, each
>>generation of chips improves things a bit.  Assuming that noise can
>>be held to the same levels as currently enjoyed by the DMR, how many
>>pixels would you like to see in the next "R" camera?
>>
>>[A] 10mp?            2.2%
>>[B] 12mp?           10.9%
>>[C] 14mp?           13.0%
>>[D] 16mp?           23.9%
>>[E] 18mp?            8.7%
>>[F] 20mp?           23.9%
>>[G] Don't care.     17.4%
>>
>>[2] Full frame sensors create their own problems with vignetting, due
>>to the angle the light rays hit the outer pixels.  This problem is
>>less pronounced in reflex cameras than in rangefinder ones, due to
>>the need to keep the rear lens elements out of the way of the mirror.
>>And, they allow wide angle lenses to work as they were
>>intended.  APS-C sized sensors (as in the current DMR) are lower in
>>cost, have virtually no vignetting problems and give an advantage to
>>tele lens users.  Your preference for sensor size would be...
>>
>>[A] Full Frame              56.5%
>>[B] APS-C or                15.2%
>>[C] somewhere in between?   28.3%
>>
>>
>>[3] Sensor format:   Many small "Point & Pray" digi-cameras use the
>>16:9 aspect ratio of the new wide screen TV's.  35mm (and the M8, DMR
>>and nearly all other dSLR's) uses the classic 3:2 format.   Should
>>the next "R" camera use
>>
>>[A] the classic 3:2 (35mm) format or             93.5%
>>[B] the new 16:9 "wide screen" format?            4.3%
>>
>>
>>[4] Many have criticized the R8 and R9 for their size.... yet praised
>>them for their ergonomics.  Would you prefer the mythical "R10" to be
>>
>>[A] similar in size to the R8 & R9,                             41.3%
>>[B] similar to the R8 or R9 with DMR (or motor drive) attached   8.7%
>>[C] smaller, like the R4 through 7 models,                      30.4%
>>[D] somewhere in between the R7 and R9 or                       19.6%
>>[E} even larger than the R9 w/DMR?                               0.0%
>>
>>
>>[5] Newer, polycarbonate bodied cameras are considerably lighter than
>>the current 'R' cameras from Leica.  How important is it to you that
>>the next generation be lighter bodies?
>>
>>[A] Very important       28.3 %
>>[B] not important or     45.7 %
>>[C] doesn't matter.      26.1 %
>>
>>
>>[6] Current R cameras offer a variety of exposure modes... Aperture
>>Priority,  Shutter Priority, Programme mode and Manual.  Please
>>indicate which mode (A, S, P, M) you use the most and give a
>>percentage of use.  (For instance, I use only Aperture Priority, so
>>my answer would be A - 100%.   Someone else might be A - 60%, P -
>>40%)  Please list all modes you use and the percentages you use  
>>each one.
>>
>>Aperture Priority     56%
>>Shutter Priority       5%
>>Program Mode          16%
>>Manual                23%
>>
>>
>>[7] Current R cameras offer Spot, Center-weighted and Matrix
>>metering.  Please list the exposure modes (S,C,M) and the percentages
>>of use for each, (as above).
>>
>>Spot metering:          39.4%
>>Center-weighted:        22.2%
>>Matrix Metering:        38.5%
>>
>>
>>[8] Current Autofocus cameras utilize plastic (polycarbonate) lens
>>barrels. Their lower mass means that they can be focused more quickly
>>with smaller motors (read lightweight and longer battery
>>life).   Would you want the next R to have autofocus if it meant
>>going to such lenses?
>>
>>[A] Yes.   42.2%
>>[B] No.    57.8%
>>
>>
>>[9] If Leica were able to build autofocus lenses that maintained the
>>traditional Leica build quality and materials (as well as decent
>>battery life), would you want the next 'R" camera to have
>>autofocus?
>>
>>[A] Yes    52.2%
>>[B] No.    47.8%
>>
>>
>>[10] If you prefer not to have autofocus, or if you would use
>>existing Leica MF lenses on the new 'R' camera, how important is
>>focus confirmation?
>>
>>[A] Very important                28.3%
>>[B] Somewhat important            47.8%
>>[C] Not important at all.         24.4%
>>
>>
>>
>>[11] If  Leica were (able) to design autofocus lenses for the 'R'
>>series... such a change might necessitate a different lens
>>mount.  How important is it that any newer lens mount be compatible
>>with your existing R lenses?
>>
>>[A] Absolutely must be compatible,                         82.2%
>>[B] it would be nice, but not absolutely necessary         15.6%
>>[C] not important at all.                                   2.2%
>>
>>
>>
>>[12] If the lens mount were to be changed,  it might be possible to
>>make an adapter which would allow the use of existing lenses in
>>Aperture Priority mode only.  Would this route be
>>
>>[A] acceptable to you    73.3%
>>[B] Not acceptable?      26.7%
>>
>>
>>[13] How important is it to you to have a large LCD screen for
>>menus/'chimping"?
>>
>>[A] Very important,           26.7%
>>[B] somewhat important,       55.6%
>>[C] not important.            17.8%
>>
>>
>>[14]  Bearing in mind that having "live view" in an SLR means
>>siphoning some light from the finder to a second sensor, how
>>important "live view" ... ie: the LCD screen constantly shows what
>>the camera is "seeing"?
>>
>>[A] Very important              8.9%
>>[B] somewhat important,         6.7%
>>[C] not important.             84.4%
>>
>>
>>[15] The R8 & R9 finders are amongst the brightest and best anywhere,
>>and probably second only to the finders in the Leica SL.  How
>>important is finder brightness to you?  Should the next 'R' camera's
>>finder be:
>>
>>[A] as bright as the SL's finder,                            44.4%
>>[B] as bright as the R8/9,                                   37.8%
>>[C] as bright as the R7 finder                                8.9%
>>[D] acceptable at a lower level of brightness.                6.7%
>>
>>
>>[16] How important is battery life?  Remember the longer the life,
>>the larger (and heavier) the battery.  So, within the constraints of
>>reasonable weight and size (and the number of shot you take in an
>>average day) , how many shots would you like to see on a single
>>charge.
>>
>>[A] 150 (the current DMR's level)      20.0%
>>[B] 190 (the current M8's level)       26.7%
>>[C] 250                                40.0%
>>[D] 400 or more?                       13.3%
>>
>>
>>[17] Speed is an issue.  Do you use a winder or motor with your
>>current camera.  How fast should the next "R" be capable of
>>shooting?
>>
>>[A] 2 fps,     33.3%
>>[B] 4 fps,     55.6%
>>[C] 6 fps,     11.1%
>>[C] more.      0.0%
>>
>>
>>[18] The other speed issue is that of writing to the memory
>>cards.  Faster writing means you can empty the buffer and shoot more
>>rapidly, but faster processors consume more battery power.  To you, is
>>
>>
>>[A] battery life more important than card writing speed, or         
>>40.0%
>>[B] speed of writing to cards more important than battery life?     
>>60.0%
>>
>>
>>[19] Mechanical noise is always a factor in any camera.  Recently I
>>used a Nikon D-200 and was pleasantly surprised at it's lower noise
>>level.  How important is it to you that the new "R" be mechanically
>>quieter than the current models?
>>
>>[A] very important,         31.1%
>>[B] not too important or    57.8%
>>[C] not important at all.   11.1%
>>
>>
>>[20] Price is always a factor.  Remembering that the new M8 is
>>approximately US$5000 and the R9/DMR combo is around $7,500, what
>>would you expect pay for a new Leica 'R' - assuming it has most of
>>the features you want?
>>
>>[A] $4000,                  28.9%
>>[B] $5000,                  48.9%
>>[C] $6000,                  15.6%
>>[D] $7000,                   4.4%
>>[E] $8000,                   2.2%
>>[F] More than $8000.         0.0%
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>David Young,
>>Logan Lake, CANADA
>>
>>Wildlife Photographs: http://www.telyt.com/
>>Personal Web-pages: http://www3.telus.net/~telyt
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
>Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:52:09 -0700
>From: David Young <telyt@xxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: [LRflex] Re: R3 meter
>
>At 25/10/2006, you wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Hi everyone!
>>My name's Keith Longmore; I live in Norfolk, England.  I have a
>>(ridiculously, according to my wife) large collection of cameras, including
>>quite a few spy and miniature cameras.  Two of the collection are Leica
>>Reflexes, an R-E, with macro lenses, and an R3.  I use the R-E, which is
>>immaculate, and get excellent results.  However, the R3's meter doesn't
>>    
>>
>work
>  
>
>>- absolutely dead -  (though the shutter is fine) and I was wondering if
>>anyone out there might have any comments or information?  I know it's much
>>the same as the Minolta XE-1 (my daughter had one, on which the shutter
>>failed, but it had a good meter, and I threw.it.away.!  That was pre-R3.).
>>Is it an expensive item to sort?
>>    
>>
>
>
>
>Hi Keith!
>
>I cannot comment on the R3's meter, specifically.  Although I no 
>longer have the data at hand, I know that Kindermann, the Canadian 
>repair agency used to charge a significant premium for a CLA on an R3 
>as compared to the late 'R' cameras.  As well, they would only 
>guarantee the repairs for 90 days, even though all other repairs were 
>guaranteed for 12 months.
>
>I'd ask around at some reputable UK repair shops... there are a few 
>independents specializing in Leica.  They should be able to give you 
>more guidance.
>
>Good luck!  Keep us posted on what you find out, will you?
>
>Cheers!
>
>
>---
>
>David Young,
>Logan Lake, CANADA
>
>Wildlife Photographs: http://www.telyt.com/
>Personal Web-pages: http://www3.telus.net/~telyt
>
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:57:03 +0100
>From: Alex Hurst <corkflor@xxxxxx>
>Subject: [LRflex] Re: R-10 Survey Results...
>
>Aram wrote:
>
>  
>
>>As someone who DID complete the survey, many thanks for this.  Many options
>>seem to be a wash - close to 50/50.  Some options are very strongly wanted
>>or not wanted.  With such a small survey, it will be difficult to assign
>>    
>>
>any
>  
>
>>conficence interfals to many of the options, but it is interesting, and I
>>think you hit upon all the major options that Leica could take.
>>
>>    
>>
>
>It is indeed a pity that apathy is alive and well, and that more 
>people didn't answer the questionnaire.
>
>What is not generally realised about these sort of polls is the 
>importance of statistical error - commonly called standard 
>deviations. Most polls are happy with a plus/minus result of two SDs, 
>which means there's a 95+% probability of the results being accurate 
>within these limits for a random sample.
>
>See:
>
>http://www.robertniles.com/stats/stdev.shtml
>
>for a pretty good layman's explanation.
>
>The bigger the random sample, the more accurate the result is likely to be.
>
>David's survey, of course, is not conducted amongst a random sample. 
>For instance, 100% of the respondents to the survey know what a Leica 
>R is. In the general population, I doubt if the figure is 1%.
>
>Nevertheless, this is useful feedback to Leica, and bouquets to David 
>for taking the time and trouble to make it happen.
>
>The one question he didn't ask is "Would you buy an R10 at this 
>price?" I wouldn't, and neither, regrettably, would I buy an M8. It's 
>a great camera undoubtedly. See my shots, if you haven't already, at:
>
>http://www.iol.ie/~corkflor
>
>and follow the Wetzlar link.
>
>But I, for one, am very happy with my film Ms (not to mention my film 
>LTMs), and recently bought a Nikon D200 body at about a quarter of 
>the price of the M8. This is my only digital camera. Not only does it 
>deliver excellent results, but it will also work with most of my 
>large collection of manual focus Nikkors. No lens bar-coding - you 
>just tell the camera what focal length you're using and the maximum 
>aperture thereof. The camera even remembers the last one you used....
>
>  What I would be interested in, and so far I can't find any info, is 
>how many advance orders for the M8 Leica actually has. Be assured the 
>R10 will not happen unless the M8 is a runaway success, which I'm 
>sure we all hope it will be.
>
>Best
>
>Alex
>  
>


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