Doug - Well... seeing as how you asked and all that, I'll answer your inquiry by posting some "works in progress" meaning I feel that they're a lot rougher in concept and/or execution than stuff I'm used to sharing with the group (not that those are all that much more fully baked). Here we have a trio of familiar urban avians doing their best to help me with my "mannered" and formal rendering (shot on my belly with a 'flex and 50 'cron): http://gallery.leica-users.org/chicago-birds/pigeons And here I've tried to make the flyer into the best "level reference" against the skewey solid building: http://www.pbase.com/image/29939477 Both jpegs are looking a little dark but the general ideas are there... Bob Palmieri >>> telyt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 06/13/04 5:34 PM >>> on 6/13/04 3:52 AM, Robert Palmieri at rpalmier@xxxxxxxxxx wrote: > I decided that I wanted to try to use the birds as > an integrated part of the picture, but that's yet another specific > self-assignment that'll probably take quite some time to get a handle on. Bob, I'm intrigued. Can you expand on this concept? Doug Herr Birdman of Sacramento http://www.wildlightphoto.com ------ Unsubscribe or change to/from Digest Mode at: www.horizon.bc.ca/~dnr/lrflex.htm Archives are at: www.freelists.org/archives/leicareflex/ ------ Unsubscribe or change to/from Digest Mode at: www.horizon.bc.ca/~dnr/lrflex.htm Archives are at: www.freelists.org/archives/leicareflex/