[kegswindows] Re: configuring network
- From: "Gordon Morrow" <gmorrow@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:15:39 -0700
Kurt:
Upgrade to Windows XP home or Pro. I did Pro and for the first time, I
can access two other computers (windows XP Home edition and Win 98) and
3 HP printers. I can print anywhere I want, share files etc. This will
seem unbelievable, but it was completely effortless. The software just
automatically found everything and made it work. (We have a LinkSys
BEFSR41 router which we use to split our ATT broadband cable internet
access. It's great.)
I tried to do the same with Windows NT, Windows 2000 and Windows 98SE
and never could consistently share files or printers. Sometimes it would
work other times not -- mostly not. Others smarter than I spent hours
trying to help and they could not fix it either.
Windows XP will not change the Human Condition. But in my experience it
is undoubtedly their best operating system to date. A wizard will make a
configuration diskette which you use to set up other computers.
Gordon Morrow
2533 NE 94th St
Seattle, WA 98115-3473
cell: (206) 605-1645
Office/fax: (206) 632-5190
gmorrow@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
-----Original Message-----
From: kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kurt Mincin
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 2:45 PM
To: kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [kegswindows] Re: configuring network
David, I was talking to a rep at Linksys, trying to troubleshoot. He
had me
remove the "PCI Bridge" in Device Manager, but we still couldn't get the
network going. However, now when I boot, the machine wants to install
the
PCI Bridge. But, I don't know where the driver/file is located. I've
tried
the tried the Win98 CD and the NIC install disk, but it's not found.
Any
ideas?
Thanks
Kurt
http://www.myildportal.com
ref #: 1827854, pass: guest
----- Original Message -----
From: "David M. Dodge" <daviddodge1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 7:50 AM
Subject: [kegswindows] Re: configuring network
>
> Kurt,
>
> The devices are a problem if they do not work.
> PCI bus
> Linksys...
> PCI Bridge---This one conects the PCI Bus to the CPU.
> PCI Input Controller---Could be a mouse or graphics pad or
some
> serial device
> PCI Mass Storage Controller---Either an onboard IDE
controller(like
> a Promise or HPT RAID controller or SCSI)
> PCI Multimedia audio device--Sound Card..This can wait
>
>
> >From the looks of it , you have unrecognized devices either built in
on
the
> motherboard or you have not loaded controller drivers. I would
install
the
> latest updates from the mainboard manufacturer.
> These not working can cause some probelms as the devices can't be
controlled
> and if assigned an IRQ ont he bus, they may have a conflict with a
device
> with a driver.
>
> you may have to bring that Machine to Joe Mraz's Hardware helper SIG
so
they
> can see if it connects and help you work out the problems,
>
> David
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Kurt Mincin
> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 12:08 AM
> To: kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [kegswindows] Re: configuring network
>
>
>
>
> David, I had a neighbor help me today with my configuration. He
mentioned
> something that I'd like to run by you. In Device Manager, viewing by
> connection, it shows...
>
> PCI bus
> Linksys...
> PCI Bridge
> PCI Input Controller
> PCI Mass Storage Controller
> PCI Multimedia audio device
>
> (In case those carriage returns get messed when I send this email, the
PCI
> bus has those five devices under it in the tree.)
>
> The question has to do with the yellow "?" "!" next to the last 4
devices
> (bridge, input controller, mass storage controller, and the multimedia
audio
> device). I realize the "?" and "!" indicate the device is not set up.
He
> said this could possibly be related to my configuration problems...he
> emphasized POSSIBLY, not for sure. What's your take on it?
>
> If it is related, can I deactivate those problem devices in order to
> temporarily set up the network to transfer the driver from the other
machine
> (onto which I downloaded the driver) to machine in need?
>
> Kurt
> http://www.myildportal.com
> ref #: 1827854, pass: guest
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David M. Dodge" <daviddodge1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 8:25 AM
> Subject: [kegswindows] Re: configuring network
>
>
> >
> > Kurt,
> > 1000-10FF is the address range for the card. Do you have both
computers
> > hooked up and the test running? The IUO test won't work unless you
have
> > both in test mode, so you can attampt to send and receive. I would
> > recommend yoiu get a book on Win98 it should cover networking the
two
PC's
> > together. the best way is to have a 5 port hub or preferably a
switch
as
> > you don't need a crossover cable. This can help to eliminate some
issues
> > you appear to have plus if a friend comes over with a laptop, you
can
> > connect him into the network to share files. A small hub is under
70$
and
> > usually much cheaper.
> >
> > david
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Kurt Mincin
> > Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 11:02 PM
> > To: kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [kegswindows] Re: configuring network
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > David,
> >
> > I ran the Linksys diag. disk on the problem computer and it shows...
> >
> > "IRQ255 PortA400 (this IRQ seems a bit odd)"
> >
> > "Configuration test Pass"
> > "I/O test (gets stuck here...computer just makes a continuous beep
tone
> > until I turn it off)"
> >
> > Assuming the I/O radio button in 'view resources' is what this
refers
to,
> I
> > see...
> >
> > "1000 - 10FF Linksys"
> >
> > in this list.
> >
> > What does this mean?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Kurt
> > http://www.myildportal.com
> > ref #: 1827854, pass: guest
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David M. Dodge" <daviddodge1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 9:39 AM
> > Subject: [kegswindows] Re: configuring network
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Kurt,
> > > That should be where you assign IRQ's to cards in those slots.
For
the
> > > Netgear card, setting one of these might have worked. Usually PCI
cards
> > > self negotiate the IRQ level and resolve conflicts during the POST
> > process.
> > > David
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Kurt Mincin
> > > Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 10:41 PM
> > > To: kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [kegswindows] Re: configuring network
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > David, I thought the following information would be useful to help
me
> > > configure my network...
> > >
> > > In BIOS there's the Advanced tab which has the PCI configuration
option.
> > On
> > > the PCI page there's
> > > Slot 1 [auto]
> > > Slot 2 [auto]
> > > Slot 3 [auto]
> > > Slot 4/5 [auto]
> > >
> > > Do these IRQs correspond to the ones in Device Manager?
> > > I have the NIC card in slot 2.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Kurt
> > > http://www.myildportal.com
> > > ref #: 1827854, pass: guest
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "David M. Dodge" <daviddodge1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 7:46 AM
> > > Subject: [kegswindows] Re: configuring network
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Kurt,
> > > > sounds like the Netgear NICs want to use a specific IRQ and it
must
be
> > > > dedicated to the slot. you will have to go into BIOS and try to
set
a
> > > > specific slot. If the board isn't that old, you may be able to
do
> this,
> > > > otherwise get another NIC like an Intel or 3Com, I have had
good
luck
> > > with
> > > > Linksys and they are a bit cheaper than the intel and 3com NICs.
We
> > have
> > > > had some problems with system config and Netgear cards where we
> couldn't
> > > get
> > > > them on the network and nothing we did worked. some folks have
had
no
> > > > problems though, so it may be highly hardware dependent. It
sounds
> like
> > > the
> > > > Netgear folks are giving you the right info. Each vendor has
their
own
> > > > specific policy regarding sales. My guess is that HDNW can
build
PCs
> > but
> > > > the techs are not knowledgable about networking and can't figure
out
> how
> > > to
> > > > set up a NIC and check it out to make sure it works. Supporting
> > > networking
> > > > is not easy as so many different things can cause problems as
you
are
> > now
> > > > discovering.
> > > >
> > > > David
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Kurt
Mincin
> > > > Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 12:00 AM
> > > > To: kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [kegswindows] Re: configuring network
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > David, I got a reply email from Netgear in which he says to
"check
> with
> > a
> > > > hardware vendor to assign a free IRQ of either 9, 10, or 11 to
the
PCI
> > > slot
> > > > where the NIC is being installed." I got the cards from Hard
Drives
> NW,
> > > > but they said that they don't support networking. I emailed a
reply
> to
> > > > Netgear tonight about this, but I wanted to ask you about it
also.
It
> > > seems
> > > > a bit odd to not support something that you sell, but I bought
all
my
> > > > components for the computer from there because of the 1 year
warranty.
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, do these IRQ settings sound right? Also, are the IRQs
in
> Device
> > > > Manager the same as those in BIOS?
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "David M. Dodge" <daviddodge1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > To: <kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 9:53 AM
> > > > Subject: [kegswindows] Re: configuring network
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Kurt,
> > > > >
> > > > > That's a good indicator of machine problems. when yoiu move
the
> "bad
> > > > card"
> > > > > to another machine and it behaves normally and the "good card"
> becomes
> > > bad
> > > > > in the other machine is a very good indicator of card chassis
> > > > > incompatability. I would check the BIOS on the suspect
machine to
> see
> > > if
> > > > it
> > > > > has any network settings that may conflict or that it is
restricting
> > or
> > > > > locking down the IRQ's on the PCI slots for legacy hardware.
You
> may
> > > have
> > > > > to get another brand of NIC to try and see if that is an
issue.
> > Without
> > > > > benching the two together and seeing how they react, it cold
be a
> > > > > combination of hardware and software in settings for both.
Tough
to
> > > tell,
> > > > > you now know that both cards are good, now you need to
investigate
> why
> > > the
> > > > > one PC works with a NIC and the other one doesn't.
> > > > > Good Luck,
> > > > >
> > > > > David
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > [mailto:kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Kurt
Mincin
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 10:08 PM
> > > > > To: kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Subject: [kegswindows] Re: configuring network
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > David, if I can switch NIC cards between computers and the
> diagnostics
> > > on
> > > >
> > > > > machine A remains ok (displays card stats), while on machine B
the
> > > > > diagnostics still displays an error, doesn't that mean that
there's
> > > > > something wrong with machine B itself?
> > > > >
> > > > > On the problem computer I did move the card to another PCI
slot
and
> > > still
> > > > > got a diagnostic error.
> > > > >
> > > > > Kurt
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "David M. Dodge" <daviddodge1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > To: <kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 5:42 PM
> > > > > Subject: [kegswindows] Re: configuring network
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kurt,
> > > > > > I would move the card to another PCI slot and if you get the
same
> > > error
> > > > on
> > > > > > the diagnostics, then the card has problems. The other thing
to
> > check
> > > is
> > > > > to
> > > > > > see if both cards are set to full duplex. Are both cards
the
same
> > > brand
> > > > > and
> > > > > > are they both 10/100? you may have a bad PCI slot or there
is a
> PCI
> > > > > > conflict. You may want to make sure in bios that you have
not
> > > reserved
> > > > > all
> > > > > > the pci slots to ISA just in case. If the diagnostic utility
can't
> > see
> > > > the
> > > > > > NIC then you ought to try another card altogether. You can
get
> > NIC's
> > > > for
> > > > > > aroung $20 so that shouln't kill the finances. If the card
is
> new,
> > > then
> > > > > get
> > > > > > a replacement at the store where you bought it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > David
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > [mailto:kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Kurt
Mincin
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 8:34 AM
> > > > > > To: kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > Subject: [kegswindows] Re: configuring network
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > David, I tried the diagnostic/driver diskette on both
machines.
> The
> > > > > machine
> > > > > > that displays "response timed out" from pinging also gets a
> > diagnostic
> > > > > error
> > > > > > that the network adapter is not found. The machine that
displays
> a
> > > > reply
> > > > > > from pinging also lists the stats of the adapter, which I
assume
> > means
> > > > > it's
> > > > > > ok. On the problem machine with diagnostic error it says
to:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1) check that there's a card installed
> > > > > > 2) check that the PCI configuration in BIOS is set,
otherwise...
> > > > > > 3) switch adapter cards to see if the machine is the problem
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I still get the diagnostic error. I'm not sure what to do
next.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > Kurt
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "David M. Dodge" <daviddodge1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > To: <kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 10:17 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [kegswindows] Re: configuring network
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Kurt,
> > > > > > > If you get a response from one side, the cable and network
cards
> > are
> > > > ok.
> > > > > > > You should be able to get another from the other side.
What
are
> > > your
> > > > IP
> > > > > > > addresses and subnet masks you are using for each
computer?
Are
> > you
> > > > > using
> > > > > > > Fixed IP addresses or is the address being automatically
given
> to
> > > one
> > > > or
> > > > > > > both computers? Have you enabled internet connection
sharing?
> > If
> > > > you
> > > > > > got
> > > > > > > a complete response with the address and got a time (ie
10ms)
> for
> > > the
> > > > > ping
> > > > > > > with a 100% packet success rate, you should have a good
> connection
> > > and
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > addresses are on the same subnet. I would run the
diagnosic
> > program
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > came with the network card on the computer that keeps
getting
a
> > > > response
> > > > > > > timed out, may have an issue. but the one that is getting
the
> > > > successful
> > > > > > > ping may not be responding to a ping and therefore may be
the
> > > problem
> > > > > NIC.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > David
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > [mailto:kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Kurt
> Mincin
> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 8:22 PM
> > > > > > > To: kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > Subject: [kegswindows] Re: configuring network
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > David, thanks. I enabled file and print sharing and it
got me
a
> > bit
> > > > > > > further, but still not there. Each computer's Network
> > Neighborhood
> > > > now
> > > > > > > shows 'entire network' (as before) and the computer itself
> (which
> > it
> > > > was
> > > > > > not
> > > > > > > before), but still not the other computer. When pinging,
one
> > > computer
> > > > > > gets
> > > > > > > a reply, the other gets 'response timed out'. I might add
that
> > it's
> > > > the
> > > > > > new
> > > > > > > computer displaying 'response timed out'.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The WOWN site says that it's most likely a hardware issue,
but
> > both
> > > > > > network
> > > > > > > cards are working according to device manager in the
system
> > > > properties.
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > don't know how to test the cable.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I hope that's clear
> > > > > > > Thanks again
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "David M. Dodge" <daviddodge1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > To: <kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 5:25 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: [kegswindows] Re: configuring network
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Kurt,
> > > > > > > > Do you have File and print sharing enabled on both
computers,
> if
> > > > not,
> > > > > > then
> > > > > > > > youy won't see anything as the netbios stack won't be
loaded,
> > > which
> > > > is
> > > > > > > what
> > > > > > > > you need to see the other system.
> > > > > > > > David Dodge
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > > [mailto:kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of
Kurt
> > Mincin
> > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:20 PM
> > > > > > > > To: KEGS (Windows) SIG
> > > > > > > > Subject: [kegswindows] configuring network
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > OK. I've two computers, both with WIN98, Netgear
Network
> > > Interface
> > > > > Card
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > each, a 25' CAT5 Crossover cable. When I double-click
on
the
> > > > Network
> > > > > > > > Neighborhood, then Entire Network, I get "unable to
browse
> > > network".
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > > called Netgear and they gave me some websites for
reference.
> I
> > > used
> > > > > > > > www.wown.com to configure the tcp/ip > netgear protocol
and
> the
> > IP
> > > > > > address
> > > > > > > > that the site recommends. They suggest testing the
connection
> > > using
> > > > > > PING.
> > > > > > > > From one system I got "request timed out". From the
other
> > system
> > > I
> > > > > got
> > > > > > > > "destination host unreachable". For the "unreachable"
error
> the
> > > > site
> > > > > > says
> > > > > > > > to check the gateway address because the other system is
not
> on
> > > the
> > > > > same
> > > > > > > > subnet. I tried the gateway address given on the site
and
got
> > the
> > > > > > > > "destination host unreachable" error again.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Can anyone help me to get these computers talking?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > > Kurt Mincin
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