[kegswindows] Re: configuring network

David,

I exchanged my Netgear cards for Linksys cards.  I've installed each card
and the cable.  Each system sees itself in Network Neighborhood.  Something
strange happened, however.  Shortly after I finished installation, one
system showed both itself and the other system .  But, after a few minutes I
looked in the Neighborhood again and only saw the computer itself.  The
other system to this point has only seen itself.  By the way, Entire Network
shows on both.

I'm referring to the WOWN site also, but it takes some sifting to find what
I need.  If you have any suggestions I would appreciate it.

Thanks
Kurt
http://www.myildportal.com
ref #: 1827854, pass: guest
----- Original Message -----
From: "David M. Dodge" <daviddodge1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 7:46 AM
Subject: [kegswindows] Re: configuring network


>
> Kurt,
> sounds like the Netgear NICs want to use a specific IRQ and it must be
> dedicated to the slot.  you will have to go into BIOS and try to set a
> specific slot.  If the board isn't that old, you may be able to do this,
> otherwise get another NIC like an Intel or 3Com,  I have had good luck
with
> Linksys and they are a bit cheaper than the intel and 3com NICs.  We have
> had some problems with system config and Netgear cards where we couldn't
get
> them on the network and nothing we did worked.  some folks have had no
> problems though, so it may be highly hardware dependent.  It sounds like
the
> Netgear folks are giving you the right info. Each vendor has their own
> specific policy regarding sales.  My guess is that HDNW can build PCs but
> the techs are not knowledgable about networking and can't figure out how
to
> set up a NIC and check it out to make sure it works.  Supporting
networking
> is not easy as so many different things can cause problems as you are now
> discovering.
>
> David
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Kurt Mincin
> Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 12:00 AM
> To: kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [kegswindows] Re: configuring network
>
>
>
>
> David, I got a reply email from Netgear in which he says to "check with a
> hardware vendor to assign a free IRQ of either 9, 10, or 11 to the PCI
slot
> where the NIC is being installed."  I got the cards from Hard Drives NW,
> but they said that they don't support networking.  I emailed a reply to
> Netgear tonight about this, but I wanted to ask you about it also.  It
seems
> a bit odd to not support something that you sell, but I bought all my
> components for the computer from there because of the 1 year warranty.
>
> Anyway, do these IRQ settings sound right?  Also, are the IRQs in Device
> Manager the same as those in BIOS?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David M. Dodge" <daviddodge1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 9:53 AM
> Subject: [kegswindows] Re: configuring network
>
>
> >
> > Kurt,
> >
> > That's a good indicator of machine problems.  when yoiu move the "bad
> card"
> > to another machine and it behaves normally and the "good card" becomes
bad
> > in the other machine is a very good indicator of card chassis
> > incompatability.  I would check the BIOS on the suspect machine to see
if
> it
> > has any network settings that may conflict or that it is restricting or
> > locking down the IRQ's on the PCI slots for legacy hardware.  You may
have
> > to get another brand of NIC to try and see if that is an issue.  Without
> > benching the two together and seeing how they react, it cold be a
> > combination of hardware and software in settings for both.  Tough to
tell,
> > you now know that both cards are good, now you need to investigate why
the
> > one PC works with a NIC and the other one doesn't.
> > Good Luck,
> >
> > David
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Kurt Mincin
> > Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 10:08 PM
> > To: kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [kegswindows] Re: configuring network
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > David, if I can switch NIC cards between computers and the diagnostics
on
>
> > machine A remains ok (displays card stats), while on machine B the
> > diagnostics still displays an error, doesn't that mean that there's
> > something wrong with machine B itself?
> >
> > On the problem computer I did move the card to another PCI slot and
still
> > got a diagnostic error.
> >
> > Kurt
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David M. Dodge" <daviddodge1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 5:42 PM
> > Subject: [kegswindows] Re: configuring network
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Kurt,
> > > I would move the card to another PCI slot and if you get the same
error
> on
> > > the diagnostics, then the card has problems. The other thing to check
is
> > to
> > > see if both cards are set to full duplex.  Are both cards the same
brand
> > and
> > > are they both 10/100?  you may have a bad PCI slot or there is a PCI
> > > conflict.  You may want to make sure in bios that you have not
reserved
> > all
> > > the pci slots to ISA just in case. If the diagnostic utility can't see
> the
> > > NIC then you ought to try another card altogether.  You can get NIC's
> for
> > > aroung $20 so that shouln't kill the finances.  If the card is new,
then
> > get
> > > a replacement at the store where you bought it.
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Kurt Mincin
> > > Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 8:34 AM
> > > To: kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [kegswindows] Re: configuring network
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > David, I tried the diagnostic/driver diskette on both machines.  The
> > machine
> > > that displays "response timed out" from pinging also gets a diagnostic
> > error
> > > that the network adapter is not found.  The machine that displays a
> reply
> > > from pinging also lists the stats of the adapter, which I assume means
> > it's
> > > ok.  On the problem machine with diagnostic error it says to:
> > >
> > > 1) check that there's a card installed
> > > 2) check that the PCI configuration in BIOS is set, otherwise...
> > > 3) switch adapter cards to see if the machine is the problem
> > >
> > > I still get the diagnostic error.  I'm not sure what to do next.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Kurt
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "David M. Dodge" <daviddodge1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 10:17 PM
> > > Subject: [kegswindows] Re: configuring network
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Kurt,
> > > > If you get a response from one side, the cable and network cards are
> ok.
> > > > You should be able to get another from the other side.  What are
your
> IP
> > > > addresses and subnet masks you are using for each computer?  Are you
> > using
> > > > Fixed IP addresses or is the address being automatically given to
one
> or
> > > > both computers?  Have you enabled internet connection sharing?   If
> you
> > > got
> > > > a complete response with the address and got a time (ie 10ms) for
the
> > ping
> > > > with a 100% packet success rate, you should have a good connection
and
> > the
> > > > addresses are on the same subnet.  I would run the diagnosic program
> > that
> > > > came with the network card on the computer that keeps getting a
> response
> > > > timed out, may have an issue. but the one that is getting the
> successful
> > > > ping may not be responding to a ping and therefore may be the
problem
> > NIC.
> > > >
> > > > David
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Kurt Mincin
> > > > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 8:22 PM
> > > > To: kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [kegswindows] Re: configuring network
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > David, thanks.  I enabled file and print sharing and it got me a bit
> > > > further, but still not there.  Each computer's Network Neighborhood
> now
> > > > shows 'entire network' (as before) and the computer itself (which it
> was
> > > not
> > > > before), but still not the other computer.  When pinging, one
computer
> > > gets
> > > > a reply, the other gets 'response timed out'.  I might add that it's
> the
> > > new
> > > > computer displaying 'response timed out'.
> > > >
> > > > The WOWN site says that it's most likely a hardware issue, but both
> > > network
> > > > cards are working according to device manager in the system
> properties.
> > I
> > > > don't know how to test the cable.
> > > >
> > > > I hope that's clear
> > > > Thanks again
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "David M. Dodge" <daviddodge1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > To: <kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 5:25 PM
> > > > Subject: [kegswindows] Re: configuring network
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Kurt,
> > > > > Do you have File and print sharing enabled on both computers, if
> not,
> > > then
> > > > > youy won't see anything as the netbios stack won't be loaded,
which
> is
> > > > what
> > > > > you need to see the other system.
> > > > > David Dodge
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > [mailto:kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Kurt Mincin
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:20 PM
> > > > > To: KEGS (Windows) SIG
> > > > > Subject: [kegswindows] configuring network
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > OK.  I've two computers, both with WIN98, Netgear Network
Interface
> > Card
> > > > in
> > > > > each, a 25' CAT5 Crossover cable.  When I double-click on the
> Network
> > > > > Neighborhood, then Entire Network, I get "unable to browse
network".
> > I
> > > > > called Netgear and they gave me some websites for reference.  I
used
> > > > > www.wown.com to configure the tcp/ip > netgear protocol and the IP
> > > address
> > > > > that the site recommends.  They suggest testing the connection
using
> > > PING.
> > > > > From one system I got "request timed out".  From the other system
I
> > got
> > > > > "destination host unreachable".  For the "unreachable" error the
> site
> > > says
> > > > > to check the gateway address because the other system is not on
the
> > same
> > > > > subnet.  I tried the gateway address given on the site and got the
> > > > > "destination host unreachable" error again.
> > > > >
> > > > > Can anyone help me to get these computers talking?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > > Kurt Mincin
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