[kegswindows] Re: configuring network
- From: "Kurt Mincin" <krmincin@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 14:07:26 -0700
David and the others who responded,
I'm still here. Just a note to let you know I'm working on a project
(previous email about tracking info) for a small company so I can get some
experience. I will get back to setting up my new machine and networking it
with the other one, but that issue is a bit less priority.
Your help is certainly appreciated.
Kurt
http://www.myildportal.com
ref #: 1827854, pass: guest
----- Original Message -----
From: "David M. Dodge" <daviddodge1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 6:04 PM
Subject: [kegswindows] Re: configuring network
>
> Kurt, The PCI Bridge is part of the chipset and will usually be provided
by
> the motherboard manufacturer on a series of disks and or a CD ROM.
>
> Networking two PC's together is a pain. Most use a hub or switch and it
> makes things much easier. Use a fixed IP address and the same subnet
mask.
> It sounds like the problem may be with the mainboard if you are having
these
> many problems related to connections and the nic works in another machine.
> at this point I would locate all the original insatll disks and rebuild
from
> the ground up and then try the network piece again.
>
> Get hardware working first, then get software working. If hardware is
good,
> then take Gordon Morrow's idea of an XP upgrade seriously.
>
> David
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Kurt Mincin
> Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 2:45 PM
> To: kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [kegswindows] Re: configuring network
>
>
>
>
> David, I was talking to a rep at Linksys, trying to troubleshoot. He had
me
> remove the "PCI Bridge" in Device Manager, but we still couldn't get the
> network going. However, now when I boot, the machine wants to install the
> PCI Bridge. But, I don't know where the driver/file is located. I've
tried
> the tried the Win98 CD and the NIC install disk, but it's not found. Any
> ideas?
>
> Thanks
> Kurt
> http://www.myildportal.com
> ref #: 1827854, pass: guest
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David M. Dodge" <daviddodge1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 7:50 AM
> Subject: [kegswindows] Re: configuring network
>
>
> >
> > Kurt,
> >
> > The devices are a problem if they do not work.
> > PCI bus
> > Linksys...
> > PCI Bridge---This one conects the PCI Bus to the CPU.
> > PCI Input Controller---Could be a mouse or graphics pad or some
> > serial device
> > PCI Mass Storage Controller---Either an onboard IDE
> controller(like
> > a Promise or HPT RAID controller or SCSI)
> > PCI Multimedia audio device--Sound Card..This can wait
> >
> >
> > >From the looks of it , you have unrecognized devices either built in on
> the
> > motherboard or you have not loaded controller drivers. I would install
> the
> > latest updates from the mainboard manufacturer.
> > These not working can cause some probelms as the devices can't be
> controlled
> > and if assigned an IRQ ont he bus, they may have a conflict with a
device
> > with a driver.
> >
> > you may have to bring that Machine to Joe Mraz's Hardware helper SIG so
> they
> > can see if it connects and help you work out the problems,
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Kurt Mincin
> > Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 12:08 AM
> > To: kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [kegswindows] Re: configuring network
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > David, I had a neighbor help me today with my configuration. He
mentioned
> > something that I'd like to run by you. In Device Manager, viewing by
> > connection, it shows...
> >
> > PCI bus
> > Linksys...
> > PCI Bridge
> > PCI Input Controller
> > PCI Mass Storage Controller
> > PCI Multimedia audio device
> >
> > (In case those carriage returns get messed when I send this email, the
PCI
> > bus has those five devices under it in the tree.)
> >
> > The question has to do with the yellow "?" "!" next to the last 4
devices
> > (bridge, input controller, mass storage controller, and the multimedia
> audio
> > device). I realize the "?" and "!" indicate the device is not set up.
He
> > said this could possibly be related to my configuration problems...he
> > emphasized POSSIBLY, not for sure. What's your take on it?
> >
> > If it is related, can I deactivate those problem devices in order to
> > temporarily set up the network to transfer the driver from the other
> machine
> > (onto which I downloaded the driver) to machine in need?
> >
> > Kurt
> > http://www.myildportal.com
> > ref #: 1827854, pass: guest
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David M. Dodge" <daviddodge1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 8:25 AM
> > Subject: [kegswindows] Re: configuring network
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Kurt,
> > > 1000-10FF is the address range for the card. Do you have both
computers
> > > hooked up and the test running? The IUO test won't work unless you
have
> > > both in test mode, so you can attampt to send and receive. I would
> > > recommend yoiu get a book on Win98 it should cover networking the two
> PC's
> > > together. the best way is to have a 5 port hub or preferably a switch
> as
> > > you don't need a crossover cable. This can help to eliminate some
> issues
> > > you appear to have plus if a friend comes over with a laptop, you can
> > > connect him into the network to share files. A small hub is under 70$
> and
> > > usually much cheaper.
> > >
> > > david
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Kurt Mincin
> > > Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 11:02 PM
> > > To: kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [kegswindows] Re: configuring network
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > David,
> > >
> > > I ran the Linksys diag. disk on the problem computer and it shows...
> > >
> > > "IRQ255 PortA400 (this IRQ seems a bit odd)"
> > >
> > > "Configuration test Pass"
> > > "I/O test (gets stuck here...computer just makes a continuous beep
tone
> > > until I turn it off)"
> > >
> > > Assuming the I/O radio button in 'view resources' is what this refers
> to,
> > I
> > > see...
> > >
> > > "1000 - 10FF Linksys"
> > >
> > > in this list.
> > >
> > > What does this mean?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Kurt
> > > http://www.myildportal.com
> > > ref #: 1827854, pass: guest
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "David M. Dodge" <daviddodge1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 9:39 AM
> > > Subject: [kegswindows] Re: configuring network
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Kurt,
> > > > That should be where you assign IRQ's to cards in those slots. For
> the
> > > > Netgear card, setting one of these might have worked. Usually PCI
> cards
> > > > self negotiate the IRQ level and resolve conflicts during the POST
> > > process.
> > > > David
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Kurt Mincin
> > > > Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 10:41 PM
> > > > To: kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [kegswindows] Re: configuring network
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > David, I thought the following information would be useful to help
me
> > > > configure my network...
> > > >
> > > > In BIOS there's the Advanced tab which has the PCI configuration
> option.
> > > On
> > > > the PCI page there's
> > > > Slot 1 [auto]
> > > > Slot 2 [auto]
> > > > Slot 3 [auto]
> > > > Slot 4/5 [auto]
> > > >
> > > > Do these IRQs correspond to the ones in Device Manager?
> > > > I have the NIC card in slot 2.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > > Kurt
> > > > http://www.myildportal.com
> > > > ref #: 1827854, pass: guest
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "David M. Dodge" <daviddodge1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > To: <kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 7:46 AM
> > > > Subject: [kegswindows] Re: configuring network
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Kurt,
> > > > > sounds like the Netgear NICs want to use a specific IRQ and it
must
> be
> > > > > dedicated to the slot. you will have to go into BIOS and try to
set
> a
> > > > > specific slot. If the board isn't that old, you may be able to do
> > this,
> > > > > otherwise get another NIC like an Intel or 3Com, I have had good
> luck
> > > > with
> > > > > Linksys and they are a bit cheaper than the intel and 3com NICs.
We
> > > have
> > > > > had some problems with system config and Netgear cards where we
> > couldn't
> > > > get
> > > > > them on the network and nothing we did worked. some folks have
had
> no
> > > > > problems though, so it may be highly hardware dependent. It
sounds
> > like
> > > > the
> > > > > Netgear folks are giving you the right info. Each vendor has their
> own
> > > > > specific policy regarding sales. My guess is that HDNW can build
> PCs
> > > but
> > > > > the techs are not knowledgable about networking and can't figure
out
> > how
> > > > to
> > > > > set up a NIC and check it out to make sure it works. Supporting
> > > > networking
> > > > > is not easy as so many different things can cause problems as you
> are
> > > now
> > > > > discovering.
> > > > >
> > > > > David
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > [mailto:kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Kurt Mincin
> > > > > Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 12:00 AM
> > > > > To: kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Subject: [kegswindows] Re: configuring network
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > David, I got a reply email from Netgear in which he says to "check
> > with
> > > a
> > > > > hardware vendor to assign a free IRQ of either 9, 10, or 11 to the
> PCI
> > > > slot
> > > > > where the NIC is being installed." I got the cards from Hard
Drives
> > NW,
> > > > > but they said that they don't support networking. I emailed a
reply
> > to
> > > > > Netgear tonight about this, but I wanted to ask you about it also.
> It
> > > > seems
> > > > > a bit odd to not support something that you sell, but I bought all
> my
> > > > > components for the computer from there because of the 1 year
> warranty.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyway, do these IRQ settings sound right? Also, are the IRQs in
> > Device
> > > > > Manager the same as those in BIOS?
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "David M. Dodge" <daviddodge1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > To: <kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 9:53 AM
> > > > > Subject: [kegswindows] Re: configuring network
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kurt,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That's a good indicator of machine problems. when yoiu move the
> > "bad
> > > > > card"
> > > > > > to another machine and it behaves normally and the "good card"
> > becomes
> > > > bad
> > > > > > in the other machine is a very good indicator of card chassis
> > > > > > incompatability. I would check the BIOS on the suspect machine
to
> > see
> > > > if
> > > > > it
> > > > > > has any network settings that may conflict or that it is
> restricting
> > > or
> > > > > > locking down the IRQ's on the PCI slots for legacy hardware.
You
> > may
> > > > have
> > > > > > to get another brand of NIC to try and see if that is an issue.
> > > Without
> > > > > > benching the two together and seeing how they react, it cold be
a
> > > > > > combination of hardware and software in settings for both.
Tough
> to
> > > > tell,
> > > > > > you now know that both cards are good, now you need to
investigate
> > why
> > > > the
> > > > > > one PC works with a NIC and the other one doesn't.
> > > > > > Good Luck,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > David
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > [mailto:kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Kurt
Mincin
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 10:08 PM
> > > > > > To: kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > Subject: [kegswindows] Re: configuring network
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > David, if I can switch NIC cards between computers and the
> > diagnostics
> > > > on
> > > > >
> > > > > > machine A remains ok (displays card stats), while on machine B
the
> > > > > > diagnostics still displays an error, doesn't that mean that
> there's
> > > > > > something wrong with machine B itself?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On the problem computer I did move the card to another PCI slot
> and
> > > > still
> > > > > > got a diagnostic error.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kurt
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "David M. Dodge" <daviddodge1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > To: <kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 5:42 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [kegswindows] Re: configuring network
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Kurt,
> > > > > > > I would move the card to another PCI slot and if you get the
> same
> > > > error
> > > > > on
> > > > > > > the diagnostics, then the card has problems. The other thing
to
> > > check
> > > > is
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > see if both cards are set to full duplex. Are both cards the
> same
> > > > brand
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > are they both 10/100? you may have a bad PCI slot or there is
a
> > PCI
> > > > > > > conflict. You may want to make sure in bios that you have not
> > > > reserved
> > > > > > all
> > > > > > > the pci slots to ISA just in case. If the diagnostic utility
> can't
> > > see
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > NIC then you ought to try another card altogether. You can
get
> > > NIC's
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > aroung $20 so that shouln't kill the finances. If the card is
> > new,
> > > > then
> > > > > > get
> > > > > > > a replacement at the store where you bought it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > David
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > [mailto:kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Kurt
> Mincin
> > > > > > > Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 8:34 AM
> > > > > > > To: kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > Subject: [kegswindows] Re: configuring network
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > David, I tried the diagnostic/driver diskette on both
machines.
> > The
> > > > > > machine
> > > > > > > that displays "response timed out" from pinging also gets a
> > > diagnostic
> > > > > > error
> > > > > > > that the network adapter is not found. The machine that
> displays
> > a
> > > > > reply
> > > > > > > from pinging also lists the stats of the adapter, which I
assume
> > > means
> > > > > > it's
> > > > > > > ok. On the problem machine with diagnostic error it says to:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1) check that there's a card installed
> > > > > > > 2) check that the PCI configuration in BIOS is set,
otherwise...
> > > > > > > 3) switch adapter cards to see if the machine is the problem
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I still get the diagnostic error. I'm not sure what to do
next.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > Kurt
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "David M. Dodge" <daviddodge1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > To: <kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 10:17 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: [kegswindows] Re: configuring network
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Kurt,
> > > > > > > > If you get a response from one side, the cable and network
> cards
> > > are
> > > > > ok.
> > > > > > > > You should be able to get another from the other side. What
> are
> > > > your
> > > > > IP
> > > > > > > > addresses and subnet masks you are using for each computer?
> Are
> > > you
> > > > > > using
> > > > > > > > Fixed IP addresses or is the address being automatically
given
> > to
> > > > one
> > > > > or
> > > > > > > > both computers? Have you enabled internet connection
sharing?
> > > If
> > > > > you
> > > > > > > got
> > > > > > > > a complete response with the address and got a time (ie
10ms)
> > for
> > > > the
> > > > > > ping
> > > > > > > > with a 100% packet success rate, you should have a good
> > connection
> > > > and
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > addresses are on the same subnet. I would run the diagnosic
> > > program
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > came with the network card on the computer that keeps
getting
> a
> > > > > response
> > > > > > > > timed out, may have an issue. but the one that is getting
the
> > > > > successful
> > > > > > > > ping may not be responding to a ping and therefore may be
the
> > > > problem
> > > > > > NIC.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > David
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > > [mailto:kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Kurt
> > Mincin
> > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 8:22 PM
> > > > > > > > To: kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > > Subject: [kegswindows] Re: configuring network
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > David, thanks. I enabled file and print sharing and it got
me
> a
> > > bit
> > > > > > > > further, but still not there. Each computer's Network
> > > Neighborhood
> > > > > now
> > > > > > > > shows 'entire network' (as before) and the computer itself
> > (which
> > > it
> > > > > was
> > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > before), but still not the other computer. When pinging,
one
> > > > computer
> > > > > > > gets
> > > > > > > > a reply, the other gets 'response timed out'. I might add
> that
> > > it's
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > new
> > > > > > > > computer displaying 'response timed out'.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The WOWN site says that it's most likely a hardware issue,
but
> > > both
> > > > > > > network
> > > > > > > > cards are working according to device manager in the system
> > > > > properties.
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > don't know how to test the cable.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I hope that's clear
> > > > > > > > Thanks again
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: "David M. Dodge" <daviddodge1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > > To: <kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 5:25 PM
> > > > > > > > Subject: [kegswindows] Re: configuring network
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Kurt,
> > > > > > > > > Do you have File and print sharing enabled on both
> computers,
> > if
> > > > > not,
> > > > > > > then
> > > > > > > > > youy won't see anything as the netbios stack won't be
> loaded,
> > > > which
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > > what
> > > > > > > > > you need to see the other system.
> > > > > > > > > David Dodge
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > From: kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > > > [mailto:kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Kurt
> > > Mincin
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:20 PM
> > > > > > > > > To: KEGS (Windows) SIG
> > > > > > > > > Subject: [kegswindows] configuring network
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > OK. I've two computers, both with WIN98, Netgear Network
> > > > Interface
> > > > > > Card
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > each, a 25' CAT5 Crossover cable. When I double-click on
> the
> > > > > Network
> > > > > > > > > Neighborhood, then Entire Network, I get "unable to browse
> > > > network".
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > called Netgear and they gave me some websites for
reference.
> > I
> > > > used
> > > > > > > > > www.wown.com to configure the tcp/ip > netgear protocol
and
> > the
> > > IP
> > > > > > > address
> > > > > > > > > that the site recommends. They suggest testing the
> connection
> > > > using
> > > > > > > PING.
> > > > > > > > > From one system I got "request timed out". From the other
> > > system
> > > > I
> > > > > > got
> > > > > > > > > "destination host unreachable". For the "unreachable"
error
> > the
> > > > > site
> > > > > > > says
> > > > > > > > > to check the gateway address because the other system is
not
> > on
> > > > the
> > > > > > same
> > > > > > > > > subnet. I tried the gateway address given on the site and
> got
> > > the
> > > > > > > > > "destination host unreachable" error again.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Can anyone help me to get these computers talking?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > > > Kurt Mincin
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