There are several, but they don't work that great. The best way is to use a payed for acount, but soon, Microsoft will no longer support getting your Hotmail/MSN E-mails through Outlook Express. HTH, Jeffrey ----- Original Message ----- From: adrian To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 10:48 AM Subject: hello there list does any one no if there is a program whitch wil allow my hotmail to be gotten with out look express? hello there list does any no of a program that wil retreave my hotmail using out look express?