Re: control f vs. control-insert-f
- From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:50:56 -0700
Patricia,
I'd like to add something to Dean's generous explanation. First of all, I
use a simple Control F on the Web for any searching I want to do, and that's
that. This is how, once I learn that a certain word way down the home page,
after several screens of global navigation links, is there the stuff I'm
looking for actually begins. Or whatever, like just finding a word in a New
York times article to reread that paragraph.
One Find or Search function no one's mentions, and which I was very relieved
to learn from someone on this list, is control shift F, which I use in order
to find text within an open Outlook express message. Of course you can't
use control F, as that's an OE command to forward the message.
The one thing to be careful of when using this one is that you can't just
input a search term and hit enter. You must tab down once, then a second
time, to get to the Find Text Only option. Then hit enter, and you'll be
taken to the word or phrase you're looking for. If you were to just hit
enter after you type in the search term, the email message will simply
close.
Hope this helps.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dean Martineau" <dean@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: control f vs. control-insert-f
this can be a little confusing, I think. Ctrl-Insert-F is the JAWS
find command. In most programs, it will search the screen and find
text or graphics on the screen, no farther.
Internet Explorer has a find feature, but it is not very
useful. Ctrl-F is its keystroke, so if you want to experience it,
you would hit JawsKey-3 to pass the keystroke on, then try Ctrl-f and
do a search. You have to turn forms mode on to insert the find
string. It isn't a rewarding experience.
JAWS scripters have supplanted that feature and used the Ctrl-F
keystroke, easier to hit, to create a more useful find
function. with it, you search the entire web page, not just the
screen. this is made possible by the page has been loaded into
memory using MSAA. If you want, you can use ctrl-insert-f as these
keystrokes are identical in Internet Explorer.
On the other hand, in Word, Ctrl-F invokes Word's find feature. Same
in Notetab and lots of other programs.
So unless scripters have applied the ctrl-f keystroke to the JAWS
find function for a given program, ctrl-f will either bring up that
program's native find function, if it has one, or do nothing, or do
some other function pertinent to that program if the keystroke has
been assigned in the program. Insert-ctrl-f will in those cases
invoke JAWS find search the screen for text or graphics.
Dean
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