Re: Strange JAWS 10 issue
- From: Yardbird <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:15:12 -0700
Chris,
I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you're saying. As if something's
missing. or maybe you're referring to something that I said in my own
previous message, among several other things, but I'm not in good health so
I don't have the energy to go down and reread exactly what I wrote, if that
would be what's necessary to make a guess at what you're responding to.
Don't worry about it, though, okay? That's okay. Good luck solving this
problem of yours. it sounds really frustrating.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Hallsworth" <christopherh40@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: Strange JAWS 10 issue
Just to say it will happen to any standard edit field in any application.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: Strange JAWS 10 issue
> Chris,
>
> Oh. Okay, so it's a very, very basic thing that isn't working right! I
> see.
> it's related to very normal, fundamental tasks like writing an email or
> reading one. Wow. No, I don't just know this stuff as you say everybody
> does. I'm not being sarcastic. I'm just saying I forget these things when
> I
> don't have to think about them, even though I keep up my Jaws skills and
> am
> not like a computer newbie or anything like that. But you've reminded me.
> The video card and its signals are essentially what Jaws is working with.
> In
> this sense it's all visual, just as it looks like to a sighted computer
> user. Not "graphical," as we say.
>
> Thanks. Sorry to sound stupid. I'm not totally stupid, just not
> technically
> astute-sounding. grin.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Hallsworth" <christopherh40@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 9:58 AM
> Subject: Re: Strange JAWS 10 issue
>
>
> Ok. I was writing my message, and I am now, using a standard edit field
> you
> find in Outlook Express. There's no forms mode involved. As I arrow line
> by
> line I can read it fine. I can also read it fine when arrowing using the
> JAWS cursor. The video card is hardware that sends text and graphics to
> the
> screen, as we all know. JAWS (and other screen readers that use similar
> drivers) intercepts what's being sent from the video card and thus
> interprets what's being sent. If the driver isn't present, or it's
> corrupted
> or something, then JAWS can't intercept things like this edit field or
> what's currently on the screen using the JAWS cursor.
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 5:31 PM
> Subject: Re: Strange JAWS 10 issue
>
>
>> Chris,
>>
>> I'm not sure I understand your answer. Best I can imagine, it sounds as
>> if
>> the problem is that when you're in an edit field, Forms Mode doesn't
>> work,
>> so if you want to be able to type something there you switch to the Jaws
>> cursor? I never encountered such a problem or had to try such a solution.
>> Anyway, when you restart your computer and everything in the jaws
>> programming falls back into place, then does something like this behave
>> normally and announce that it's an edit field, and allow you to go into
>> Forms Mode? Or does the kind of edit field you're talking about never
>> present itself as an edit field in the first place, except that you know
>> it
>> is, somehow, and deal with it using the Jaws cursor?
>>
>> lastly, why is the term video or video card involved? Is that just a
>> normal
>> part of jaws operation, or does it mean that this type of edit field is a
>> graphic, not an HTML-coded screen element? If my question isn't clear to
>> you, I won't mind if someone else replies, someone who's familiar with
>> this
>> sort of issue. I'm not trying to hassle you. I just don't understand the
>> reply very well but I might if it were written a little differently.
>>
>> Thanks very much.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Chris Hallsworth" <christopherh40@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 9:16 AM
>> Subject: Re: Strange JAWS 10 issue
>>
>>
>> Sure. Now, I could just navigate, using the JAWS cursor, what I'm
>> writing.
>> I
>> can also read back what I'm writing in this edit field. If I unload and
>> reload JAWS, however, I can do none of this. This is why I think it's a
>> video intercept issue, as the video intercept driver intercepts text
>> being
>> sent from the graphics card to the computer.
>>
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>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 5:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: Strange JAWS 10 issue
>>
>>
>>> Chris,
>>>
>>> I am sorry that I don't know enough about this sort of thing to offer
>>> you
>>> any advice, but I do hope you can tell me something. I don't know
>>> anything
>>> at all about the phrase "video intercept," though I vaguely remember it
>>> has
>>> something to do with how jaws picks up information from coding and
>>> renders
>>> it into speech. But I'm just saying that. I think it's obvious that I
>>> don't
>>> get what's going on with this thing at all.
>>>
>>> That confession made, may I ask how you know there's a video intercept
>>> problem that you're now troubled by? By which I mean, how does it
>>> manifest
>>> itself? This is not a sophisticated question requiring complicated
>>> discussion. I am simply asking if you wouldn't mind describing what goes
>>> wrong for you when you use Jaws after exiting it and restarting it,
>>> without
>>> rebooting the system, as you say? What happens that's wrong? And what
>>> about
>>> this tells you it's a video intercept issue?
>>>
>>> again, I'm looking for basic education. Not arguing about anything. Hope
>>> that's clear. And sorry about the hassle you're having.
>>> Joel
>>> From: "Chris Hallsworth" <christopherh40@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 8:30 AM
>>> Subject: Strange JAWS 10 issue
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>> I'm using the latest JAWS 10 running under Windows XP Home Edition SP3.
>>> The
>>> computer is a Dell Dimention DIM2400 desktop PC which is owned by my
>>> father
>>> for all of us to use. The problem is that JAWS works as expected,
>>> however
>>> when I unload and reload, JAWS behaves as if no video intercept was
>>> installed and will behave this way until I restart the PC. I looked at
>>> the
>>> video intercept information, and all appears to be well. Does anyone
>>> know
>>> what's going on here? If this helps I'm using a guest account rather
>>> than
>>> my
>>> own administrative account.
>>> Please advise.
>>> Thanks.
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