Re: Mother and daughter windows (was Re: word and jaws)
- From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 20:09:12 -0700
Well, I'm not sure what to think, here. I operated my computers fully
sighted until a few years ago, and even now can see something gross like
whether or not a program's interface fills the screen. And I can say with
assurance that when I run Word or OE or IE, for instance, running in what
Windows calls normal size, they *do* fill the screen, not leaving any sort
of blank space or confusing background around their edges to confuse Jaws.
Seriously. Just running in Normal size.
So my one experience with IE was doing what the View menu called maximizing,
and that may or may not be equivalent to what Windows ordinarily calls
maximizing. This is all with stock video settings straight out of several
different PC manufacturers' factories. Nothing unusual. And no problem for
Jaws, at all, in any of several versions, on several computers. I've
stopped thinking about the whole thing as an issue to be concerned with, I
guess you could say. Just my personal experience, for what it may be worth.
But right now, though I lack the central (macular) vision necessary to
decipher the text characters on my screen, I can tell you that this email
I'm writing is filling the screen, and that, after I send it, the Outlook
Express interface will be filling the screen, and none of this results from
my having set the program to launch in maximized mode. I understand
perfectly well that there are programs where Jaws can't focus properly if
something appears within a small window or pane with junk around it and Jaws
isn't programmed to focus on that, as it focuses on the spell check program
in Word or OE for instance which do indeed appear as small windows or
whatever you want to call them within the general window of the program, but
Jaws is programmed to restrict itself to within that smaller frame, in those
examples. But where something does this but doesn't have Jaws scripts or
whatever it takes, you sure ure do get a mess, with Jaws reading all over
the place. But that's unusual, not normal.
thanks.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Debbie Scales" <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: Mother and daughter windows (was Re: word and jaws)
If maximizing a window pushes it off the screen, then something is wrong
with your video display.
Maximizing a window should never do more than
make a window fit the full size of your monitor. (even if you don't actually
have a monitor attached, windows knows the size from your display settings).
You may be thinking of full screen mode in IE (which is toggled with f11)
which does hide your menu bar.
IE Full screen mode should not be used with Jaws.
But that is something entirely different from maximizing a window.
Debbie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 10:28 PM
Subject: Re: Mother and daughter windows (was Re: word and jaws)
Well, Debbie has just explained the basic idea. But, believe me, Word
doesn't have to be run maximized, nor do most other programs. In fact,
nothing that happens while you're in Word has to be maximized, nor even
*can* anything within in Word be maximized. Experience has taught me to be
skeptical of some of the Jaws maxims about how you have to do things. I
suppose if it doesn't hurt anything, it's all moot. But when maximizing an
interface has a bad result like pushing its menu line off the screen, that
isn't much help. this happens if you maximize Internet Explorer from its
View menu, for instance. In any case, best of luck fixing your problem.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patricia" <bcsarah.fan@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: Mother and daughter windows (was Re: word and jaws)
all I know, is that when my windows aren't maximized as in a document for
example, I can't read it all, and like you say, sometimes you see other
windows. I make it a habit of always maximizing every window. this is how I
was taught anyway. that's a new one, main window and daughter window. I
always knew it as a parent and child window... so that sounds new to my eas
but Iknew what you meant.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 6:13 PM
Subject: Mother and daughter windows (was Re: word and jaws)
> I'd like to know, also, what it means if someone says that both the
> "daughter" window and the main window in Word have to be maximized, if
> that's what meant, below. I'm not aware of any window but the Word
> interface with document and menu bar being present on a Word screen, and
> also I've found with Jaws that nearly every conventional application of
> mine, including Word, functions accurately with Word when it's set to
> display just in the "normal" window mode, not maximized. My impression is
> that sometimes,when something opens in a smaller window at first, as in
> the
> case of an Outlook Express message just clicked on, it does definitely
> help
> Jaws if you maximize the email using alt spacebar x. But I've never found
> anything of the sort to be necessary in the program per se, including
> Outlook Express when a message doesn't happen to be opened. I hope
> someone
> will explain this mother/daughter window and maximizing advice.
>
> thanks.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alicia" <astarner@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 5:50 PM
> Subject: word and jaws
>
>
> Hello, Everyone:
>
> I am using JAWS 7.0 and Word 2003. When I open a document that has been
> previously created and try to arrow down the document one line at a time
> JAWS does not read the document correctly. There will be pauses in speech
> and sometimes the words are partially read as if there is a window on the
> screen. I was told that the daughter window and the main window in Word
> has
> to be maximized for the document to read correctly. What does this mean?
>
> Alicia
>
> "The chief handicap of the blind is not blindness, but the attitude of
>>seeing people towards them."
>>- Helen Keller, 1925
>
>
>
>
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