Re: JSay basic questions (was jaws and dragon naturally speaking)
- From: Yardbird <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:05:03 -0800
Gerald,
thanks a lot. I'll definitely go there later today.
Joel
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: JSay basic questions (was jaws and dragon naturally speaking)
Joel,
I suggest you listen to a demo of J-Say to hear for yourself what it can do.
You can find two presentations on J-Say on the ACB Radio Main Menu On Demand
page below. Just type "j-say" into the Find command edit field, Control-F,
to locate them. If you're seriously interested in using voice recognition
with JAWS, these presentations should be very helpful. Gerald
http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=19
----- Original Message -----
From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: JSay basic questions (was jaws and dragon naturally speaking)
> Thank you. I googled jsay/jaws/dnc and wound up at the Independent Living
> AIDS web site to see how they described JSay's functionality, and from
> what
> I gather it appears that without JSay DNC can be used only in a
> comparatively rudimentary way by a Jaws person. From their description, it
> wasn't clear how much JSay could enhance the basic writing and editing
> function which, innocently, I thought was all there was to DNC, but it can
> allow you to control your entire computer in every way you'd do with the
> mouse if you were sighted or, alternatively, with the keyboard.
>
> Personally, if I ever were to try out DNC, it would be only for purposes
> of
> writing and, if possible without JSay, editing without having to type. Not
> at all because (Knock wood here) I've lost the use of my hands or can't
> type
> for any other reason, but just as an intrigueing alternative. I wouldn't
> wish to control anything beyond this. Nothing would prevent me from
> launching Word and opening a document just as I do now, but then sitting
> back and talking my way through some writing, just to see how it worked.
>
> I could spell check as usual, using my keyboard, and so forth. Or I could
> dictate an email IN Outlook express but then spell check it as usual and
> send it as usual, not needing to tell my computer to do these things for
> me.
>
> Is this an oversimplified idea of basic DNC usage? Are there some of
> these
> things I still couldn't manage if I'm a Jaws user, without JSay? This is
> asked without making a fuss over the price, which is right up there with
> the prices of full-featured OCR and screen reader software, to which I
> say,
> despite the below explanation, wow.
>
> Joel
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruce Toews" <Bruce@xxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:44 AM
> Subject: Re: JSay basic questions (was jaws and dragon naturally speaking)
>
>
> J-Say is a set of scripts that assist JAWS in properly interfacing with
> DNS. As with many other JAWS scripts, much can be accomplished without
> them, but the scripts do make it easier, and probably provide
> accessibility to other things which would otherwise not be accessible.
> But whereas some scripts are minor, basic and simple, the J-Say scripts
> are very complex and have taken years to write and keep up-to-date,
> hence the cost associated with them.
>
> Bruce
>
>
> On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 11:38:44 -0800, "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> said:
>> this is a very basic question, and I'd appreciate someone clarifying it
>> for
>> me: I'm a Jaws user. I don't know much about voice recognition software
>> like
>> DNS. From what I've gathered, JSsay is software that allows Jaws and DNS
>> to
>> be used together, in ways I haven't been able to imagine but trust is the
>> case.
>>
>> Well, my question is, what is it that JSay actually does? Is it something
>> you can't do without if you're a jaws user and want to dictate to your
>> computer? Otherwise, let's see, how would it not work for you? You would
>> have to exit Jaws, launch DNC (when I hear "dnc," I keep thinking of the
>> National Democratic Committee and Howard Dean, and that's not meant to be
>> a
>> divisive partisan comment) and then DNC would allow you to dictate
>> instead
>> of type, assuming you could type, but then to read and possibly edit what
>> you'd dictated, you'd have to exit DNS and launch Jaws again, and so on,
>> back and forth? Or am I not imagining accurately how all this would work?
>> If
>> I'm way off, how *would* it work?
>>
>> Thanks.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Peter" <peterholdstock@xxxxxxx>
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:22 AM
>> Subject: Re: jaws and dragon naturally speaking
>>
>>
>>
>> Oh so your using J-Say. That's a shame, thought it might have been
>> without.
>> As I have full use of my arms I couldn't justify the cost of both J-Say
>> and
>> Dragon.
>>
>> Peterb
>>
>>
>> From: Chris Jenkins
>> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 7:27 PM
>> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: RE: jaws and dragon naturally speaking
>>
>>
>> Hello Jeff.
>>
>>
>>
>> Just a few of the things that you will have to get used to while
>> dictating
>> or as follows. The biggest thing is keeping control of the microphone
>> meaning making sure that the microphone is asleep when you are not using
>> it
>> for example when someone comes into your office or cubicle and wants to
>> carry on a conversation with you. I would say the next biggest thing is
>> to
>> learn how to talk without using filler words such as o m, or and. If you
>> are
>> going to be using speech recognition software while on the phone with
>> customers you will have a whole other set of problems to overcome. For
>> example where now you can type and speak to the customer at the same time
>> of
>> course you will not be able to speak to dragon naturally speaking and the
>> customer at the same time. You should at least take all this into
>> consideration before making an investment into speech recognition
>> software.
>>
>>
>>
>> I will say for me Dragon naturally speaking along with J--Say is the best
>> purchase I ever made.
>>
>>
>>
>> I hope this helps.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Jeffrey Schwartz
>> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 1:48 PM
>> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: RE: jaws and dragon naturally speaking
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks Pat,
>>
>> If you didn't have to spend a great deal of time teaching it to recognize
>> your voice, where does the learning curve come in? This is for work
>> where I
>> have XP. Do you think that it would be significantly different from
>> Vista
>> with DNS?
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Pat L
>> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 12:36 PM
>> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: RE: jaws and dragon naturally speaking
>>
>>
>>
>> Jeffrey,
>>
>>
>>
>> I have experimented with DNS 10 and have been very favorably impressed.
>> The
>> speech recognition out of the box without training was remarkably good. I
>> was able to dictate a few test e-mails with surprisingly good results.
>> However, there is a steep learning curve to master this feature rich
>> program. The program is cheap - I was able to buy it from Nuance on a
>> promotion for around $50. If you are willing to make the investment and
>> devote time to the learning process, it might work for you. As of now, I
>> can't afford the time to use it consistently, but that may not be true
>> for
>> you.
>>
>>
>>
>> HTH,
>>
>> Pat
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Russell Solowoniuk
>> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 10:06 AM
>> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: jaws and dragon naturally speaking
>>
>> Hi Jeffrey,
>>
>>
>>
>> I've never used DNS with Jaws, but I did have some success with the built
>> in
>> speech recognition in Windows Vista, using System Access.
>>
>>
>>
>> HTH
>>
>>
>>
>> Russell
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Jeffrey Schwartz
>>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 3:41 AM
>>
>> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>> Subject: jaws and dragon naturally speaking
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm in my early sixties and between contact sports when young and sighted
>> and decades of copious typing, I fear that I have developed arthritis in
>> my
>> hands. I'd like to use Dragon. The party line from FS is that one can
>> only
>> do it with Dragon Professional and the T and T consultancy intermediate
>> program. I believe that I have heard one or two on this list say that
>> they
>> use Dragon Naturally Speaking directly with jaws. I'd be grateful for
>> any
>> feedback on this issue
>>
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