Re: JSay basic questions (was jaws and dragon naturally speaking)
- From: Yardbird <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 12:08:49 -0800
Thank you. I googled jsay/jaws/dnc and wound up at the Independent Living
AIDS web site to see how they described JSay's functionality, and from what
I gather it appears that without JSay DNC can be used only in a
comparatively rudimentary way by a Jaws person. From their description, it
wasn't clear how much JSay could enhance the basic writing and editing
function which, innocently, I thought was all there was to DNC, but it can
allow you to control your entire computer in every way you'd do with the
mouse if you were sighted or, alternatively, with the keyboard.
Personally, if I ever were to try out DNC, it would be only for purposes of
writing and, if possible without JSay, editing without having to type. Not
at all because (Knock wood here) I've lost the use of my hands or can't type
for any other reason, but just as an intrigueing alternative. I wouldn't
wish to control anything beyond this. Nothing would prevent me from
launching Word and opening a document just as I do now, but then sitting
back and talking my way through some writing, just to see how it worked.
I could spell check as usual, using my keyboard, and so forth. Or I could
dictate an email IN Outlook express but then spell check it as usual and
send it as usual, not needing to tell my computer to do these things for me.
Is this an oversimplified idea of basic DNC usage? Are there some of these
things I still couldn't manage if I'm a Jaws user, without JSay? This is
asked without making a fuss over the price, which is right up there with
the prices of full-featured OCR and screen reader software, to which I say,
despite the below explanation, wow.
Joel
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Toews" <Bruce@xxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: JSay basic questions (was jaws and dragon naturally speaking)
J-Say is a set of scripts that assist JAWS in properly interfacing with
DNS. As with many other JAWS scripts, much can be accomplished without
them, but the scripts do make it easier, and probably provide
accessibility to other things which would otherwise not be accessible.
But whereas some scripts are minor, basic and simple, the J-Say scripts
are very complex and have taken years to write and keep up-to-date,
hence the cost associated with them.
Bruce
On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 11:38:44 -0800, "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
said:
> this is a very basic question, and I'd appreciate someone clarifying it
> for
> me: I'm a Jaws user. I don't know much about voice recognition software
> like
> DNS. From what I've gathered, JSsay is software that allows Jaws and DNS
> to
> be used together, in ways I haven't been able to imagine but trust is the
> case.
>
> Well, my question is, what is it that JSay actually does? Is it something
> you can't do without if you're a jaws user and want to dictate to your
> computer? Otherwise, let's see, how would it not work for you? You would
> have to exit Jaws, launch DNC (when I hear "dnc," I keep thinking of the
> National Democratic Committee and Howard Dean, and that's not meant to be
> a
> divisive partisan comment) and then DNC would allow you to dictate
> instead
> of type, assuming you could type, but then to read and possibly edit what
> you'd dictated, you'd have to exit DNS and launch Jaws again, and so on,
> back and forth? Or am I not imagining accurately how all this would work?
> If
> I'm way off, how *would* it work?
>
> Thanks.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter" <peterholdstock@xxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:22 AM
> Subject: Re: jaws and dragon naturally speaking
>
>
>
> Oh so your using J-Say. That's a shame, thought it might have been
> without.
> As I have full use of my arms I couldn't justify the cost of both J-Say
> and
> Dragon.
>
> Peterb
>
>
> From: Chris Jenkins
> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 7:27 PM
> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: jaws and dragon naturally speaking
>
>
> Hello Jeff.
>
>
>
> Just a few of the things that you will have to get used to while
> dictating
> or as follows. The biggest thing is keeping control of the microphone
> meaning making sure that the microphone is asleep when you are not using
> it
> for example when someone comes into your office or cubicle and wants to
> carry on a conversation with you. I would say the next biggest thing is
> to
> learn how to talk without using filler words such as o m, or and. If you
> are
> going to be using speech recognition software while on the phone with
> customers you will have a whole other set of problems to overcome. For
> example where now you can type and speak to the customer at the same time
> of
> course you will not be able to speak to dragon naturally speaking and the
> customer at the same time. You should at least take all this into
> consideration before making an investment into speech recognition
> software.
>
>
>
> I will say for me Dragon naturally speaking along with J--Say is the best
> purchase I ever made.
>
>
>
> I hope this helps.
>
>
>
> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf
> Of Jeffrey Schwartz
> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 1:48 PM
> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: jaws and dragon naturally speaking
>
>
>
> Thanks Pat,
>
> If you didn't have to spend a great deal of time teaching it to recognize
> your voice, where does the learning curve come in? This is for work
> where I
> have XP. Do you think that it would be significantly different from
> Vista
> with DNS?
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf
> Of Pat L
> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 12:36 PM
> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: jaws and dragon naturally speaking
>
>
>
> Jeffrey,
>
>
>
> I have experimented with DNS 10 and have been very favorably impressed.
> The
> speech recognition out of the box without training was remarkably good. I
> was able to dictate a few test e-mails with surprisingly good results.
> However, there is a steep learning curve to master this feature rich
> program. The program is cheap - I was able to buy it from Nuance on a
> promotion for around $50. If you are willing to make the investment and
> devote time to the learning process, it might work for you. As of now, I
> can't afford the time to use it consistently, but that may not be true
> for
> you.
>
>
>
> HTH,
>
> Pat
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf
> Of Russell Solowoniuk
> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 10:06 AM
> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: jaws and dragon naturally speaking
>
> Hi Jeffrey,
>
>
>
> I've never used DNS with Jaws, but I did have some success with the built
> in
> speech recognition in Windows Vista, using System Access.
>
>
>
> HTH
>
>
>
> Russell
>
>
>
> From: Jeffrey Schwartz
>
> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 3:41 AM
>
> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Subject: jaws and dragon naturally speaking
>
>
>
> I'm in my early sixties and between contact sports when young and sighted
> and decades of copious typing, I fear that I have developed arthritis in
> my
> hands. I'd like to use Dragon. The party line from FS is that one can
> only
> do it with Dragon Professional and the T and T consultancy intermediate
> program. I believe that I have heard one or two on this list say that
> they
> use Dragon Naturally Speaking directly with jaws. I'd be grateful for
> any
> feedback on this issue
>
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