Joel,I suggest you listen to a demo of J-Say to hear for yourself what it can do. You can find two presentations on J-Say on the ACB Radio Main Menu On Demand page below. Just type "j-say" into the Find command edit field, Control-F, to locate them. If you're seriously interested in using voice recognition with JAWS, these presentations should be very helpful. Gerald
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To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 3:08 PM Subject: Re: JSay basic questions (was jaws and dragon naturally speaking)
Thank you. I googled jsay/jaws/dnc and wound up at the Independent LivingAIDS web site to see how they described JSay's functionality, and from whatI gather it appears that without JSay DNC can be used only in a comparatively rudimentary way by a Jaws person. From their description, it wasn't clear how much JSay could enhance the basic writing and editing function which, innocently, I thought was all there was to DNC, but it can allow you to control your entire computer in every way you'd do with the mouse if you were sighted or, alternatively, with the keyboard.Personally, if I ever were to try out DNC, it would be only for purposes ofwriting and, if possible without JSay, editing without having to type. Notat all because (Knock wood here) I've lost the use of my hands or can't typefor any other reason, but just as an intrigueing alternative. I wouldn't wish to control anything beyond this. Nothing would prevent me from launching Word and opening a document just as I do now, but then sitting back and talking my way through some writing, just to see how it worked. I could spell check as usual, using my keyboard, and so forth. Or I could dictate an email IN Outlook express but then spell check it as usual andsend it as usual, not needing to tell my computer to do these things for me.Is this an oversimplified idea of basic DNC usage? Are there some of thesethings I still couldn't manage if I'm a Jaws user, without JSay? This is asked without making a fuss over the price, which is right up there withthe prices of full-featured OCR and screen reader software, to which I say,despite the below explanation, wow. Joel----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Toews" <Bruce@xxxxxxxx>To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:44 AM Subject: Re: JSay basic questions (was jaws and dragon naturally speaking) J-Say is a set of scripts that assist JAWS in properly interfacing with DNS. As with many other JAWS scripts, much can be accomplished without them, but the scripts do make it easier, and probably provide accessibility to other things which would otherwise not be accessible. But whereas some scripts are minor, basic and simple, the J-Say scripts are very complex and have taken years to write and keep up-to-date, hence the cost associated with them. Bruce On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 11:38:44 -0800, "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> said:this is a very basic question, and I'd appreciate someone clarifying it for me: I'm a Jaws user. I don't know much about voice recognition software like DNS. From what I've gathered, JSsay is software that allows Jaws and DNS to be used together, in ways I haven't been able to imagine but trust is the case. Well, my question is, what is it that JSay actually does? Is it something you can't do without if you're a jaws user and want to dictate to your computer? Otherwise, let's see, how would it not work for you? You would have to exit Jaws, launch DNC (when I hear "dnc," I keep thinking of the National Democratic Committee and Howard Dean, and that's not meant to be a divisive partisan comment) and then DNC would allow you to dictate instead of type, assuming you could type, but then to read and possibly edit what you'd dictated, you'd have to exit DNS and launch Jaws again, and so on, back and forth? Or am I not imagining accurately how all this would work? If I'm way off, how *would* it work? Thanks.----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter" <peterholdstock@xxxxxxx>To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:22 AM Subject: Re: jaws and dragon naturally speaking Oh so your using J-Say. That's a shame, thought it might have been without. As I have full use of my arms I couldn't justify the cost of both J-Say and Dragon. Peterb From: Chris Jenkins Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 7:27 PM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: jaws and dragon naturally speaking Hello Jeff. Just a few of the things that you will have to get used to while dictating or as follows. The biggest thing is keeping control of the microphone meaning making sure that the microphone is asleep when you are not using it for example when someone comes into your office or cubicle and wants to carry on a conversation with you. I would say the next biggest thing is to learn how to talk without using filler words such as o m, or and. If you are going to be using speech recognition software while on the phone with customers you will have a whole other set of problems to overcome. For example where now you can type and speak to the customer at the same time of course you will not be able to speak to dragon naturally speaking and the customer at the same time. You should at least take all this into consideration before making an investment into speech recognition software. I will say for me Dragon naturally speaking along with J--Say is the best purchase I ever made. I hope this helps. From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Schwartz Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 1:48 PM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: jaws and dragon naturally speaking Thanks Pat, If you didn't have to spend a great deal of time teaching it to recognize your voice, where does the learning curve come in? This is for work where I have XP. Do you think that it would be significantly different from Vista with DNS? Jeff -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Pat L Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 12:36 PM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: jaws and dragon naturally speaking Jeffrey, I have experimented with DNS 10 and have been very favorably impressed. The speech recognition out of the box without training was remarkably good. I was able to dictate a few test e-mails with surprisingly good results. However, there is a steep learning curve to master this feature rich program. The program is cheap - I was able to buy it from Nuance on a promotion for around $50. If you are willing to make the investment and devote time to the learning process, it might work for you. As of now, I can't afford the time to use it consistently, but that may not be true for you. HTH, Pat -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 10:06 AM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: jaws and dragon naturally speaking Hi Jeffrey, I've never used DNS with Jaws, but I did have some success with the built in speech recognition in Windows Vista, using System Access. HTH Russell From: Jeffrey Schwartz Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 3:41 AM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: jaws and dragon naturally speaking I'm in my early sixties and between contact sports when young and sighted and decades of copious typing, I fear that I have developed arthritis in my hands. I'd like to use Dragon. The party line from FS is that one can only do it with Dragon Professional and the T and T consultancy intermediate program. I believe that I have heard one or two on this list say that they use Dragon Naturally Speaking directly with jaws. I'd be grateful for any feedback on this issue -- JFW related links: JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/ Scripting mailing list: http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com JFW List instructions: To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw Alternative archives located at: http://n2.nabble.com/JAWS-for-Windows-f2145279.html If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx-- Bruce Toews dogriver@xxxxxxxx -- JFW related links: JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/ Scripting mailing list: http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com JFW List instructions: To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw Alternative archives located at: http://n2.nabble.com/JAWS-for-Windows-f2145279.htmlIf you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. 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-- JFW related links: JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/ Scripting mailing list: http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com JFW List instructions: To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw Alternative archives located at: http://n2.nabble.com/JAWS-for-Windows-f2145279.html If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx