Re: JAWS latest trick - To Select, or Not To Select: a Dual Personality
- From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 12:43:16 -0500
Dave,
As you have learned, Control+a is not normally a toggle for selecting and
unselecting in Windows. If you look at the Edit Menu in any Windows program,
you will see that Control+a is the Shortcut key combination for Select All.
Control+a seems to work as a toggle only when you are in a virtual buffer such
as in an email message or a web page. It's a JAWS thing!
Speaking of inconsistencies, I have found that sometimes when I select a
paragraph in MS Word in Office 2003, JAWS says Unselected, even though the
paragraph is actually selected. I have just learned to ignore it!
Gary King
w4wkz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Carlson
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: JAWS latest trick - To Select, or Not To Select: a Dual
Personality
Here's what I found, and it seems a bit of a dual personality in Windows. I'm
using XP Pro, BTW.
1. In an open E-Mail (not one you're editing, but one you are reading),
pressing Ctrl-a will select everything in the message and it's reported as
"1234 characters up to <last line of text>". It can be confirmed by using the
keystroke shift-JAWS-NumPad DownArrow. Then press Ctrl-a again and you hear
"1234 characters up to <first line of text>". You can verify that nothing is
selected. So in this case it's a toggle, and note the very subtle difference in
the JAWS message. In the select case it read down to the last line of text. in
the unselect case it reads up to the first line in the text. Very interesting.
2. Now if you're in an E-Mail message you're composing, the toggle does not
work. I just tried it. Very interesting.
3. In a list like in Windows Explorer, pressing Ctrl-a will select all in the
list, but pressing again will not unselect. Again it's not a toggle in that
scenario. Very interesting.
This is just my 5-minute quick test and there could be other inconsistencies,
as well.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Cy Selfridge
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 06:08
Subject: RE: JAWS latest trick
Hi Adrian,
Yes, I gave it a try but nothing changed.
Now, even more interesting is the fact that when I am in an email and press
ctrl+A I do hear "selected" but when in a folder such as "deleted items" or
whatever I hear (nothing selected? In both cases the keystroke actually works
properly although JAWS does not think so. (LOLLOLLOL)
Oh well, maybe JAWS V12?
Cy, The Anasazi
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 4:14 AM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: JAWS latest trick
Did you test Laura's suggestion? I just did, and she's right. It's useful
information.
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From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 11:28 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: JAWS latest trick
I don't think ctrl+a ever unselects anything. I think CTRL+A always
selects everything.
Bill White billwhite92701@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
----- Original Message -----
From: Laura Shumate
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS latest trick
Hit control a twice that way you can make sure that everything is
selected and unselected that's just my advice. Take it or leave it.
Laura
----- Original Message -----
From: Cy Selfridge
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:13 AM
Subject: JAWS latest trick
Hi,
Again, W7 64 bit, Outlook 2007 and an HP Pavilion.
In Outlook when I press ctl+a to select all messages in the folder JAWS
dutifully reports that "Nothing selected" - but - when I do the shift+delete
and then confirm guess what, everything *WAS* selected and all is gone.
Just thought I would mention the misinformation so someone is not
lulled into thinking that nothing war really selected and makes an unfortunate
discovery. (LOL)
Cy, The Anasazi jus
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