Here's what I found, and it seems a bit of a dual personality in Windows. I'm using XP Pro, BTW. 1. In an open E-Mail (not one you're editing, but one you are reading), pressing Ctrl-a will select everything in the message and it's reported as "1234 characters up to <last line of text>". It can be confirmed by using the keystroke shift-JAWS-NumPad DownArrow. Then press Ctrl-a again and you hear "1234 characters up to <first line of text>". You can verify that nothing is selected. So in this case it's a toggle, and note the very subtle difference in the JAWS message. In the select case it read down to the last line of text. in the unselect case it reads up to the first line in the text. Very interesting. 2. Now if you're in an E-Mail message you're composing, the toggle does not work. I just tried it. Very interesting. 3. In a list like in Windows Explorer, pressing Ctrl-a will select all in the list, but pressing again will not unselect. Again it's not a toggle in that scenario. Very interesting. This is just my 5-minute quick test and there could be other inconsistencies, as well. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Cy Selfridge To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 06:08 Subject: RE: JAWS latest trick Hi Adrian, Yes, I gave it a try but nothing changed. Now, even more interesting is the fact that when I am in an email and press ctrl+A I do hear "selected" but when in a folder such as "deleted items" or whatever I hear (nothing selected? In both cases the keystroke actually works properly although JAWS does not think so. (LOLLOLLOL) Oh well, maybe JAWS V12? Cy, The Anasazi From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 4:14 AM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: JAWS latest trick Did you test Laura's suggestion? I just did, and she's right. It's useful information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bill White Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 11:28 PM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: JAWS latest trick I don't think ctrl+a ever unselects anything. I think CTRL+A always selects everything. Bill White billwhite92701@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ----- Original Message ----- From: Laura Shumate To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 8:20 PM Subject: Re: JAWS latest trick Hit control a twice that way you can make sure that everything is selected and unselected that's just my advice. Take it or leave it. Laura ----- Original Message ----- From: Cy Selfridge To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:13 AM Subject: JAWS latest trick Hi, Again, W7 64 bit, Outlook 2007 and an HP Pavilion. In Outlook when I press ctl+a to select all messages in the folder JAWS dutifully reports that "Nothing selected" - but - when I do the shift+delete and then confirm guess what, everything *WAS* selected and all is gone. Just thought I would mention the misinformation so someone is not lulled into thinking that nothing war really selected and makes an unfortunate discovery. (LOL) Cy, The Anasazi jus