[jawsscripts] Re: web sites with graphics and tip on youtube navigation people might find helpful?
- From: "Bob Kennedy" <intheshop@xxxxxxx>
- To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 05:50:21 -0400
Geoff,
I don't know if you've played around a lot with the Jaws cursor on flash
sites like YouTube, but I've had very good luck using it.
An example is the list of buttons with time attached to them. I can almost
always get a video to play lining the virtual cursor up with the button
saying zero o'clock, routing Jaws to PC and doing a left mouse click. If
you route Jaws to PC and do a say line, Jaws will say blank. So the Jaws
cursor isn't recognizing what the PC is seeing.
For those times when there doesn't appear to be a zero o'clock button,
choosing the lowest number and doing the same routing tricks will usually
start the video. Very rarely, but it happens, I have to hold down the
control key and left mouse click. But one of those three ways and I haven't
had a video not play.
Keep in mind clicking on the button won't always start the video
immediately. It can take a while for some to load and Jaws doesn't say
anything about loading. Even after the video has played, Jaws will still
read "Loading, please wait."
Hope this helps some
----- Original Message -----
From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 4:12 AM
Subject: [jawsscripts] web sites with graphics and tip on youtube navigation
people might find helpful?
I reckon Elise's on the money here below.
The number of so-called web developers I've spoken to over the years, who
just aren't even aware of people utilizing websites with screen-readers, or
that blind people use/wanna navigate the web at all, is simply astounding!
until relatively recently, Accessibility just unfortunately hasn't been, and
may still not be,
a really high priority still, in the minds of customers who desire website
development. and, since the customers often drive the market place, thus not
also in the minds of the developers providing the customers with the
service! would that be correct in your experience Elise?
Take for example a situation this week I saw with our Church. They
apparently use a packaged service that youtube offers people, where they
upload their video to youtube, and it creates what is apparently called,
embed code, that the Church website tweaker can then somehow plonk onto
their webpage, and it'll link to that video, such that then presumably they
don't have to hoast it on their servers etc. Well, that code is a flash
based thing according to jaws, the people at the Church office weren't even
aware of that, and, is totally inacessible to jaws! it just says, good old,
flash movie start,flash movie end. right above and below each other, with
not even any unlabelled buttons in there!
no way for the jaws user to even know there's a video there to play!
Now at my very limited knowledge of how web stuff works, please correct me
if I'm wrong anyone,
but, it seems the people at youtube offering this kind of service, even at
that high end of things, obviously still aren't aware enough of
accessibility, to have provided the users of this service, with an already
done and dusted accessible packaged solution! with a play/stop buttons,
seek slider bar, or accessible volume controls. just crazy, but, there you
are.
BTW, JAWS related, I've discovered something I don't know if people are
aware of, but, on youtube itself, playing a video of something, some of the
buttons in jaws are labelled, like pause, and play, and replay etc, which is
greatly helpful in virtual cursor land. but, I've found, that because jaws
will often see the flash movie as an object, if you hit quick key o, for
move to object, then, if you hit jawsKey+Zed, to turn off virtual cursor,
and thus allow the keyboard to interact with the site directly, then hit tab
once or twice to take real focus into the flash movie, jaws might even
identify one of the flash movie buttons as you go, to help you know this has
occurred. Then, up/down arrows will work to alter the volume of the playing
file, and, even more helpfully, left/right arrows will operate the seek
slider bar thinggy, such as to provide a rewind/fastForward ability.
spacebar might even work to playPause the file, whilst in non-virtual cursor
mode too.obviously you don't get the fine control over rewind and
fastForward that the mouse users get, and I have experimented with driving
this a different way, but, the above method has often worked as a quick and
dirty one for me. specially in those times when you can hardly hear jaws
enough, when stuck with a single sound card sinario, whilst a youtube video
is playing, and you might like to reduce it's level a bit. be warned that
flipping the virtual cursor on and off, does mean for quirkynesses and
weirdnesses in the synchronizing of location sometimes, but, that quick Key
O, when virtual cursor/quick keys are active, can be a very useful tool to
getting back to home base again if one goes amidships.
hth.
Geoff c.
From: "Elise Lonsdale" <elise@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 3:23 PM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: web sites with graphics
>
>
> Hi Ann,
> If a web developer is looking for a quick and inexpensive solution to a
> problem like what's below, they would be well served learning their trade
> properly and getting it Wright in the first place.
>
> A user of a web site should not have to be OCR'ing the text to send it
> back
> to the web site and it's owner only to have subsequent users click on some
> special link to access that text. W3C standards clearly define how a web
> site should be created using all the necessary markup that should make
> almost every web page accessible to us with little messing around. It's
> just that there are a lot of people out there who just don't have a clue
> how
> to do it Wright in the first place.
>
> Warm Regards
> Elise Lonsdale
>
> Do you know if there is software to convert smooth text to pure text?
> I am just thinking that if a site has inaccessible text then one could
> save
>
> page in question in some format, then put file through OpenBook or
> another
> conversion software package, save as text or something readable, then
> possibly give file back to web developer to add a link text only link and
> post text info under accessible link?
> I have no idea about web development but just thinking how an
> inaccessible
>
> site might become accessible at low cost and effort.
> Ann
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Elise Lonsdale" <elise@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 6:00 PM
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: web sites with graphics
>
>
>> Hi All,
>> Having not seen the web site in question, it's also possible that the
>> graphic in question was produced by one of those programs that place text
>> inside a graphic. To the sighted and possibly novice web developer, they
>> just see what appears as text and continue building their web site
>> oblivious
>> to whether it's a graphic with nice smooth text in their graphic or true
>> text, which we can read with a screen reader.
>>
>> I've seen web pages bashed up by Microsoft Publisher, where if a bloc of
>> text appears close to a picture or word art, the program will just make a
>> nice bit fat graphic of that part of the page to preserve the visual
>> layout
>> for the novice developer, Bingo you get a non-accessible web page.
>>
>> Warm Regards - Elise Lonsdale
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie McBride
>> Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 7:08 AM
>> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: web sites with graphics
>>
>> Ann, u queried:
>> As far as BitMaps does this mean that a photo was taken of text data and
>> then posted rather than someone typeing text info?
>>
>> Basically, that's pretty much right. Whether the text was
>> photographed, drawn, etc., it was done as a graphic rather than text &
>> no screenreader, except possibly Cobra, reads that.
>>
>> W/o an access code, if the site is ok till then, the link is pretty much
>> ndg.
>>
>> On 11/4/10, Ann Marie Medlar <amedlar1@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> As far as BitMaps does this mean that a photo was taken of text data and
>>> then posted rather than someone typeing text info?
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Jackie McBride" <abletec@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 12:02 PM
>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: web sites with graphics
>>>
>>>
>>>> Likely the screen was drawn in bitmaps as opposed to printing of
>>>> actual text, &, if that be the case, no scripting in the world's gonna
>>>> fix it because Jaws is simply unable to read bitmaps. Having said
>>>> thus, u didn't provide the site url in order for us to check.
>>>>
>>>> On 11/4/10, Ann Marie Medlar <amedlar1@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>> I used IE to go to a web site to take a word test. I had an access
>>>>> code
>>>>> from the site and when I entered a new browser window opens.
>>>>> Jaws reports graphics...
>>>>> Is there any way to scritp this easily to access?
>>>>> The screen instructed me to open a specific file and then to proceed.
>>>>> A
>>>>> sighted person told me that is what my screen stated.
>>>>> I used Windows XP Pro, Jaws11.xx and IE 8.0.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Just curious how could this become more accessible?
>>>>> Ann
>>>>>
>>>>>
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