[jawsscripts] Re: web sites with graphics
- From: Ann Marie Medlar <amedlar1@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2010 11:32:38 -0400
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I am unsure but it only appeared when I included the link from
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But when I compose a new message to list no spam message appears.
Any ideas?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Marang" <donald.marang@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 10:24 AM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: web sites with graphics
> Yes, the SPAM message at the top is annoying and tells me nothing! Have
> you
> been attacked?
>
> Don Marang
>
> There is just so much stuff in the world that, to me, is devoid of any
> real
> substance, value, and content that I just try to make sure that I am
> working
> on things that matter.
> Dean Kamen
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Ann Marie Medlar" <amedlar1@xxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 10:25 AM
> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: web sites with graphics
>
>> CM SPAM detection: spam
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>> Hi again,
>> Testing a spam message included within my messages.
>> Ann
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Don Marang" <donald.marang@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 9:47 AM
>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: web sites with graphics
>>
>>
>>>I agree that performing OCR of a web page has many difficulties! I have
>>> also thought a basic OCR function should be part of any screen reader.
>>> I
>>> understand the COBRA has some OCR capabilities.
>>>
>>> Has anyone attempted to use the OCR capabilities of Webvisum? In
>>> addition
>>> to solving a CAPTCHA, it has the capability to select a graphic and
>>> perform
>>> OCR on it and also provide a label to use in the future if possible. It
>>> is
>>> primarily designed to extract the text of buttons, but may be useful for
>>> other things. If it can solve a hard to read CAPTCHA, it may do fairly
>>> well
>>> on small graphics.
>>>
>>> Don Marang
>>>
>>> There is just so much stuff in the world that, to me, is devoid of any
>>> real
>>> substance, value, and content that I just try to make sure that I am
>>> working
>>> on things that matter.
>>> Dean Kamen
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Bissett, Tom" <tom.bissett@xxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 9:17 AM
>>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: web sites with graphics
>>>
>>>> It would be nice to have an OCR option but as you say Jeff there is so
>>>> much garbage on the screen that OCR doesn't work well. I have often
>>>> taken
>>>> screen shots and then ran them through OCR to glean what little text I
>>>> can
>>>> get out of them and most of the time they really are unusable. One
>>>> thing
>>>> that does help a little is when people use the alt print screen which
>>>> captures only the application window and not the desktop and what ever
>>>> else is in the background minimizing the garbage.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Tom Bisset
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Geoff Chapman
>>>> Sent: November 5, 2010 3:50 AM
>>>> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: web sites with graphics
>>>>
>>>> I've been thinking for years that jaws should have an on the fly OCR
>>>> manager
>>>> and labelling wizard thinggy. but, I hear you that the sites are so
>>>> dynamic
>>>> that this might only be of limited use. but, it'd be useful
>>>> none-the-less
>>>> I
>>>> reckon, to have such a thing. But, I'm told that the visual complexity,
>>>> and
>>>> the low, "signal to noise," threshold that the computer screen offers,
>>>> as
>>>> compared to that provided by text on pages, means this would be of very
>>>> limited success. so I'm told anywayz. e.g. apparently, the powers that
>>>> be
>>>> tell me it'd be very hard for an OCR process to establish what was part
>>>> of
>>>> the photographic elements to decode, and what was decorative stuff and
>>>> shading and things, which might reeeally confuse any such process to
>>>> the
>>>> point of being unuseable. I suppose I must believe them, though boy,
>>>> I've
>>>> been wanting such a tool for a jolly long time in jaws I can tel ya,
>>>> even
>>>> if
>>>> it didn't work much of the time but did work sometimes?but of course,
>>>> support issues would be outrageous so I guess it's not gunna happen
>>>> any
>>>> time soon. <sigh.>
>>>>
>>>> ou-- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "black ares" <matematicianu2003@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 3:26 PM
>>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: web sites with graphics
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> but you don't need such thing, because smooth text is generated on the
>>>>> fly
>>>>> when the page is displayed.
>>>>> So the developer has for sure the natural text, but they are so
>>>>> ignorant
>>>>> regarding the accessibility that they don't think to put that text as
>>>>> a
>>>>> alternative solution.
>>>>> Even that the graphic is not generated on the fly, when it was
>>>>> generated
>>>>> some one there had the text and possibly the text is still there and
>>>>> can
>>>>> be
>>>>> refurbished in a plain text page.
>>>>> On the other hand, sifr is based on flash, and if flash is not
>>>>> installed
>>>>> it
>>>>> degrades back to plain text and css.
>>>>> How ever, they have the text, but they don't want to put it there.
>>>>> More over think that the content of a page is dynamic, you can not
>>>>> OCR-ise
>>>>> a
>>>>> page and that is all, because from request to request the content of
>>>>> the
>>>>> page may change.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Ann Marie Medlar" <amedlar1@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 5:44 AM
>>>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: web sites with graphics
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> Do you know if there is software to convert smooth text to pure text?
>>>>>> I am just thinking that if a site has inaccessible text then one
>>>>>> could
>>>>>> save
>>>>>> page in question in some format, then put file through OpenBook or
>>>>>> another
>>>>>> conversion software package, save as text or something readable, then
>>>>>> possibly give file back to web developer to add a link text only
>>>>>> link
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> post text info under accessible link?
>>>>>> I have no idea about web development but just thinking how an
>>>>>> inaccessible
>>>>>> site might become accessible at low cost and effort.
>>>>>> Ann
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Elise Lonsdale" <elise@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 6:00 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: web sites with graphics
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>> Having not seen the web site in question, it's also possible that
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> graphic in question was produced by one of those programs that place
>>>>>>> text
>>>>>>> inside a graphic. To the sighted and possibly novice web developer,
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> just see what appears as text and continue building their web site
>>>>>>> oblivious
>>>>>>> to whether it's a graphic with nice smooth text in their graphic or
>>>>>>> true
>>>>>>> text, which we can read with a screen reader.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've seen web pages bashed up by Microsoft Publisher, where if a
>>>>>>> bloc
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> text appears close to a picture or word art, the program will just
>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> nice bit fat graphic of that part of the page to preserve the visual
>>>>>>> layout
>>>>>>> for the novice developer, Bingo you get a non-accessible web page.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Warm Regards - Elise Lonsdale
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie
>>>>>>> McBride
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 7:08 AM
>>>>>>> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: web sites with graphics
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ann, u queried:
>>>>>>> As far as BitMaps does this mean that a photo was taken of text data
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> then posted rather than someone typeing text info?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Basically, that's pretty much right. Whether the text was
>>>>>>> photographed, drawn, etc., it was done as a graphic rather than text
>>>>>>> &
>>>>>>> no screenreader, except possibly Cobra, reads that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> W/o an access code, if the site is ok till then, the link is pretty
>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>> ndg.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/4/10, Ann Marie Medlar <amedlar1@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>> As far as BitMaps does this mean that a photo was taken of text
>>>>>>>> data
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> then posted rather than someone typeing text info?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Jackie McBride" <abletec@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 12:02 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: web sites with graphics
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Likely the screen was drawn in bitmaps as opposed to printing of
>>>>>>>>> actual text, &, if that be the case, no scripting in the world's
>>>>>>>>> gonna
>>>>>>>>> fix it because Jaws is simply unable to read bitmaps. Having said
>>>>>>>>> thus, u didn't provide the site url in order for us to check.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 11/4/10, Ann Marie Medlar <amedlar1@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>>>> I used IE to go to a web site to take a word test. I had an
>>>>>>>>>> access
>>>>>>>>>> code
>>>>>>>>>> from the site and when I entered a new browser window opens.
>>>>>>>>>> Jaws reports graphics...
>>>>>>>>>> Is there any way to scritp this easily to access?
>>>>>>>>>> The screen instructed me to open a specific file and then to
>>>>>>>>>> proceed.
>>>>>>>>>> A
>>>>>>>>>> sighted person told me that is what my screen stated.
>>>>>>>>>> I used Windows XP Pro, Jaws11.xx and IE 8.0.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Just curious how could this become more accessible?
>>>>>>>>>> Ann
>>>>>>>>>>
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