[jawsscripts] Re: steps for using hsc re solving issue of Checked and unchecked status of items with unhelpful graphic identification.
- From: "Dean Masters" <dwmasters@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 11:44:16 -0500
OK I see now.
thanks!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 5:55 PM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: steps for using hsc re solving issue of Checked
and unchecked status of items with unhelpful graphic identification.
| Hi Dean. ok I hear you that the text of the item itself isn't changing
color
| denoting it's checked or unchecked status.
| but, do you have hsc installed though? you cant do this unless you do, at
| least the way I was proposing.
|
| Because, HSC allows you to check each individual pixel for color changing,
| and the trick is that if there truly is a tick or check mark appearing and
| going away, to denote status, then I would expect this to be either to the
| left or right of the item, try left first I'd suggest,
| and you'd use altShiftArrows to move there. jaws will just see it as blank
| space, but of course it isn't really blank, it will still have pixels in
it
| that you click on, and observe whether or not they change color. I'd
almost
| certainly bet one would, somewhere, else how could the tick mark be
visible
| to the sighted person, unless it stood out in some way against the
| background. another note, because you are examining individual pixels,
you
| won't hear a foreground and background color, as you do with The TextColor
| examination tool of jawsKey+top row Number 5.
|
| it wil take some little exploration though probably, to find one if your
on
| your own. the distance could be quite considerable from the tick mark, to
| the item to which it pertains. who can say!
|
| Geoff c.----- Original Message -----
| From: "Dean Masters" <dwmasters@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
| To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
| Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 3:30 AM
| Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: steps for using hsc re solving issue of Checked
| and unchecked status of items with unhelpful graphic identification.
|
|
| > The line doesn't change color that I can see. The line that has the
focus
| > says the font is highlighted. That doesn't mean it is checked or
| unchecked,
| > though.
| >
| > Dean
| >
| > ----- Original Message -----
| > From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
| > To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
| > Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 10:34 AM
| > Subject: [jawsscripts] steps for using hsc re solving issue of Checked
and
| > unchecked status of items with unhelpful graphic identification.
| >
| >
| > | Dean. does the color of the actual Item change perhaps?
| > |
| > | BTW, if you have hsc installed, and connected to your applications,
| > | even just using the simple connection process, which acomplishes heaps
| of
| > | what hsc does anyway,
| > | i.e. the Use "HotSpotClicker.jsb" line in the top of your jss,
| > | as long as there are other events in your jss file, it won't work just
| > with
| > | that one line in there,
| > | that should compile, and then work to connect it.
| > | although I haven't specificly tried it obviously in either of your
apps,
| > but
| > | just to let you know that you could most probably use it to help you
| suss
| > | this from the front end of things. for a start, it's got a built in
| manual
| > | per pixel color test utility, utilizing AltShiftNumPad5. Which you
can
| > use
| > | with either the mouse or invisible cursors.
| > | It actually speaks each color as you move around with
alt+shift+arrows,
| > but
| > | I usually disable both that, and the auto graphics read as well, as I
| find
| > | them kind of annoying to leave on automatic read.
| > | you can do that with alt+control+shift+period, and
| > alt+control+shift+slash.
| > |
| > | anywayz, IN this kind of case, you'd probably use the jaws cursor for
| > | investigative purposes, because you want to see what color a certain
| pixel
| > | might change to, when the item is checked, and then what it changes to
| > when
| > | clicked again, to uncheck it.
| > | you may also like to set your mouseNavigation down to 1 pixel at a
time
| > | whilst doing this investigation, by going into home row, then left
| > arrowing
| > | and you'll hear jaws say, 2, 1, 50, etc. it wraps around back to the
| > | highest, so maybe leave it at one if you want.
| > | So, after focusing your pc cursor on an item, route JawsToPc, then
| > | move to the left or right of your item maybe, or, if the item itself
| > changes
| > | color, then you don't even need to do that. but just find a pixel
| > somewhere
| > | in the area of the item, that clearly alters color to reflect what
state
| > the
| > | checked item is in as you click.
| > | So leftClick, then hit altShiftNumPad5, to listen, till you find a
pixel
| > | that might reflect the changed state.
| > | You might obviusly need eyes to assist with this process initially,
| since
| > | you won't necessarily know what state is what, unless there's a button
| > like
| > | there is in some of these situations, saying "check all," or "uncheck
| > all."
| > | if there is, then you wouldn't need eyes.
| > |
| > | Then, when you find one, leave the jaws cursor on that pixel, and do
the
| > | following:
| > |
| > | 1. begin the hotspot definition process.
| > | use Control+Alt+Shift+A to begin the wizard, since in this case you
| > don't
| > | need words or proper graphics.
| > |
| > | 2. then in the first question, when it asks what positioning mode you
| > want,
| > | hit p twice till you hear, PcCursorRow.
| > |
| > | 3. Go through the steps of the wizard, being careful as always, to
make
| > | correct assessments about removing any dynamic information from
whatever
| > | various windows it offers you, only leaving in there things you're
sure
| > wil
| > | always be there no matter what state the app is operating in. i.e.
| remove
| > | any document names or specialized window names you think might not
| always
| > | remain etc.
| > | I generally by default for example, usually delete totally, any,
| current,
| > | Window names it asks for, but leve in something in the rest of any
other
| > | window type requests it asks about.
| > |
| > | 4. when you get to label, just label it anything to identify it to you
| in
| > | testing, because we're not gunna have that label spoken on hotspot
| > | activation.
| > |
| > | 5. when it asks do you want that spoken, say no. when it asks for a
key,
| > say
| > | yes, and assign something comfortable for you, control1 or whatever.
| > | something that won't need to be used in normal operation of your
program
| > | obviously.
| > |
| > | 6. then the next step, is to activate the ControlAltShiftF3, Assign a
| > | UserFunction hotkey.
| > | when you press that, it should first ask you to choose the hotspot to
| > which
| > | you wish to add a post processing function.
| > |
| > | 7. Choose the hotspot you've just created, and hit enter.
| > |
| > | then it'll give you a list of some predefined user post processing
| > functions
| > | to choose from, starting with, "create your own."
| > |
| > | 8. arrow down to the second one, HscDecodeHotSpotColor, and press
enter.
| > | it should tell you that the function has been successfully assigned,
and
| > | instruct you to now activate the hotspot to start defining what your
| going
| > | to assign to the color changes when they occur.
| > |
| > | 9. so go ahead and do that. hit your hotspot key. it should then
click
| > the
| > | mouse there, so the color will have changed from what it was when you
| last
| > | listened to it, be aware of that, and it should ask you, what function
| > | should run when blah blah blah color is found at that location.
| > |
| > | 10. arrow down once and you should hear, HSDSayPhraseByColor. Don't
ask
| me
| > | why it's d and not c here, but it is. <smile.> then hit enter.
| > |
| > | then hsc should say, "enter the phrase to be spoken for color, blah."
| > |
| > | 11. type checked or unchecked, as desired, and hit enter.
| > |
| > | 12. now, activate your hotspot again. it should click at that location
| for
| > | you, and now there should be the altered color there, which it should
| then
| > | see, and go through the same process as above again.
| > | i.e. Firstly ask you what function it should run when it sees that
| color,
| > | and then, what should be spoken etc.
| > | it remembers the last function you assigned as well, making that
process
| > | just that bit sweeter.
| > |
| > | I've just tested it here with audio grabber, and it seems to work as
| > | expected.
| > | give it a whirl if you like.
| > |
| > | From: "Jitendra" <jeet.invincible@xxxxxxxxx>
| > | To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
| > | Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 7:15 PM
| > | Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: thank you dean, Re: Re: Checked and
unchecked
| > | status of graphic
| > |
| > |
| > | > As I don't have such program, it's only way to install and check if
I
| > can
| > | > so is this program free? or do you find any color change, or any
| graphic
| > | > using ctrl+left or right arrow to check the status of the current
| item?
| > | > or do homerow msaa keys return something meaningful?
| > | > Thank you.
| > | > Dean Masters wrote:
| > | > > Is this function supposed to work whenever you run into the window
| > class
| > | in
| > | > > the script? The program I am working on uses a different class.
| Rather
| > | than
| > | > > the TCheckList it uses TEasyCheckList.unicodeClass.
| > | > >
| > | > > I commented out the line from your script that had the window
class
| > and
| > | > > created a new line that included the one in my program. I then
added
| a
| > | Say
| > | > > to speak when that class was moved to. I didn't get any sign of
the
| > | class
| > | > > being recognized.
| > | > >
| > | > > Also in this class there doesn't seem to be a graphic representing
| the
| > | > > checkbox at all. there is nothing at all to let you know if there
is
| a
| > | > > checkbox or which items in the list view have been selected.
| > | > >
| > | > > I have gotten the checkboxes in another window class to be spoken
| when
| > | > > changed or when arrowing up or down the list.
| > | > >
| > | > > Thanks,
| > | > > Dean
| > | > > ----- Original Message -----
| > | > > From: "Jitendra" <jeet.invincible@xxxxxxxxx>
| > | > > To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
| > | > > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 12:30 PM
| > | > > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: thank you dean, Re: Re: Checked and
| > unchecked
| > | > > status of graphic
| > | > >
| > | > >
| > | > > | Thanks, I remember of reading some of your messages days back,
but
| > let
| > | > > | me know if it works for you,.
| > | > > | Dean Masters wrote:
| > | > > | > thanks for this. I have a Bible software program that uses
this
| > | window
| > | > > | > class. I can't see the checkboxes in them. There seems to be
no
| > | graphic
| > | > > | > either. but I will see if this function helps.
| > | > > | >
| > | > > | > Dean
| > | > > | >
| > | > > | > ----- Original Message -----
| > | > > | > From: "Jitendra" <jeet.invincible@xxxxxxxxx>
| > | > > | > To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
| > | > > | > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 9:48 PM
| > | > > | > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Checked and unchecked status of
| graphic
| > | > > | >
| > | > > | >
| > | > > | > | Hello, After having that much trouble, and asking you all, I
| was
| > | able
| > | > > to
| > | > > | > | discover the following, it solves my problem, and hope
useful
| to
| > | some
| > | > > of
| > | > > | > | you as well. its not that much complicated or special
though.
| > | > > | > | Void Function CheckStatus ()
| > | > > | > | Var
| > | > > | > | Handle hwnd,
| > | > > | > | Int Color,
| > | > > | > | string Class
| > | > > | > | Let hwnd = GetFocus ()
| > | > > | > | Let Class = GetWindowClass (hwnd)
| > | > > | > | If Class == "TCheckListBox" Then
| > | > > | > | SaveCursor ()
| > | > > | > | JAWSCursor ()
| > | > > | > | SaveCursor ()
| > | > > | > | RouteJAWSToPc ()
| > | > > | > | PriorCharacter ()
| > | > > | > | Let Color = GetColorText ()
| > | > > | > | If Color == "0" Then
| > | > > | > | SayFormattedMessage (OT_MESSAGE, "checked")
| > | > > | > | Else
| > | > > | > | SayFormattedMessage (OT_MESSAGE, "not checked")
| > | > > | > | EndIf
| > | > > | > | EndIf
| > | > > | > | EndFunction
| > | > > | > | Thanks everyone, specially david and Jeff.
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