[jawsscripts] Re: steps for using hsc re solving issue of Checked and unchecked status of items with unhelpful graphic identification.

Hi Dean. ok I hear you that the text of the item itself isn't changing color
denoting it's checked or unchecked status.
but, do you have hsc installed though? you cant do this unless you do, at
least the way I was proposing.

Because, HSC allows you to check each individual pixel for color changing,
and the trick is that if there truly is a tick or check mark appearing and
going away, to denote status, then I would expect this to be either to the
left or right of the item, try left first I'd suggest,
and you'd use altShiftArrows to move there. jaws will just see it as blank
space, but of course it isn't really blank, it will still have pixels in it
that you click on, and observe whether or not they change color. I'd almost
certainly bet one would, somewhere, else how could the tick mark be visible
to the sighted person, unless it stood out in some way against the
background.  another note, because you are examining individual pixels, you
won't hear a foreground and background color, as you do with The TextColor
examination tool of jawsKey+top row Number 5.

it wil take some little exploration though probably, to find one if your on
your own. the distance could be quite considerable from the tick mark, to
the item to which it pertains. who can say!

Geoff c.----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dean Masters" <dwmasters@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 3:30 AM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: steps for using hsc re solving issue of Checked
and unchecked status of items with unhelpful graphic identification.


> The line doesn't change color that I can see. The line that has the focus
> says the font is highlighted. That doesn't mean it is checked or
unchecked,
> though.
>
> Dean
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 10:34 AM
> Subject: [jawsscripts] steps for using hsc re solving issue of Checked and
> unchecked status of items with unhelpful graphic identification.
>
>
> | Dean. does the color of the actual Item change perhaps?
> |
> | BTW, if you have hsc installed, and connected to your applications,
> | even just using the simple connection process, which acomplishes heaps
of
> | what hsc does anyway,
> | i.e. the Use "HotSpotClicker.jsb" line in the top of your jss,
> | as long as there are other events in your jss file, it won't work just
> with
> | that one line in there,
> | that should compile, and then work to connect it.
> | although I haven't specificly tried it obviously in either of your apps,
> but
> | just to let you know that you could most probably use it to help you
suss
> | this from the front end of things. for a start, it's got a built in
manual
> | per pixel color test utility, utilizing AltShiftNumPad5.  Which you can
> use
> | with either the mouse or invisible cursors.
> | It actually speaks each color as you move around with alt+shift+arrows,
> but
> | I usually disable both that, and the auto graphics read as well, as I
find
> | them kind of annoying to leave on automatic read.
> | you can do that with alt+control+shift+period, and
> alt+control+shift+slash.
> |
> | anywayz, IN this kind of case, you'd probably use the jaws cursor for
> | investigative purposes, because you want to see what color a certain
pixel
> | might change to, when the item is checked, and then what it changes to
> when
> | clicked again, to uncheck it.
> | you may also like to set your mouseNavigation down to 1 pixel at a time
> | whilst doing this investigation, by going into home row, then left
> arrowing
> | and you'll hear jaws say, 2, 1, 50, etc. it wraps around back to the
> | highest, so maybe leave it at one if you want.
> | So, after focusing your pc cursor on an item, route JawsToPc, then
> | move to the left or right of your item maybe, or, if the item itself
> changes
> | color, then you don't even need to do that. but just find a pixel
> somewhere
> | in the area of the item, that clearly alters color to reflect what state
> the
> | checked item is in as you click.
> | So leftClick, then hit altShiftNumPad5, to listen, till you find a pixel
> | that might reflect the changed state.
> | You might obviusly need eyes to assist with this process initially,
since
> | you won't necessarily know what state is what, unless there's a button
> like
> | there is in some of these situations, saying "check all," or "uncheck
> all."
> | if there is, then you wouldn't need eyes.
> |
> | Then, when you find one, leave the jaws cursor on that pixel, and do the
> | following:
> |
> | 1. begin the hotspot definition process.
> | use Control+Alt+Shift+A to begin the wizard, since in this case   you
> don't
> | need words or proper graphics.
> |
> | 2. then in the first question, when it asks what positioning mode you
> want,
> | hit p twice till you hear, PcCursorRow.
> |
> | 3. Go through the steps of the wizard, being careful as always, to make
> | correct assessments about removing any dynamic information from whatever
> | various windows it offers you, only leaving in there things you're sure
> wil
> | always be there no matter what state the app is operating in. i.e.
remove
> | any document names or specialized window names you think might not
always
> | remain etc.
> | I generally by default for example, usually delete totally, any,
current,
> | Window names it asks for, but leve in something in the rest of any other
> | window type requests it asks about.
> |
> | 4. when you get to label, just label it anything to identify it to you
in
> | testing, because we're not gunna have that label spoken on hotspot
> | activation.
> |
> | 5. when it asks do you want that spoken, say no. when it asks for a key,
> say
> | yes, and assign something comfortable for you, control1 or whatever.
> | something that won't need to be used in normal operation of your program
> | obviously.
> |
> | 6. then the next step, is to activate the ControlAltShiftF3, Assign a
> | UserFunction hotkey.
> | when you press that, it should first ask you to choose the hotspot to
> which
> | you wish to add a post processing function.
> |
> | 7. Choose the hotspot you've just created, and hit enter.
> |
> | then it'll give you a list of some predefined user post processing
> functions
> | to choose from, starting with, "create your own."
> |
> | 8. arrow down to the second one, HscDecodeHotSpotColor, and press enter.
> | it should tell you that the function has been successfully assigned, and
> | instruct you to now activate the hotspot to start defining what your
going
> | to assign to the color changes when they occur.
> |
> | 9. so go ahead and do that. hit your hotspot key.  it should then click
> the
> | mouse there, so the color will have changed from what it was when you
last
> | listened to it, be aware of that, and it should ask you, what function
> | should run when blah blah blah color is found at that location.
> |
> | 10. arrow down once and you should hear, HSDSayPhraseByColor. Don't ask
me
> | why it's d and not c here, but it is. <smile.> then hit enter.
> |
> | then hsc should say, "enter the phrase to be spoken for color, blah."
> |
> | 11. type checked or unchecked, as desired, and hit enter.
> |
> | 12. now, activate your hotspot again. it should click at that location
for
> | you, and now there should be the altered color there, which it should
then
> | see, and go through the same process as above again.
> | i.e. Firstly ask you what function it should run when it sees that
color,
> | and then, what should be spoken etc.
> | it remembers the last function you assigned as well, making that process
> | just that bit sweeter.
> |
> | I've just tested it here with audio grabber, and it seems to work as
> | expected.
> | give it a whirl if you like.
> |
> | From: "Jitendra" <jeet.invincible@xxxxxxxxx>
> | To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> | Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 7:15 PM
> | Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: thank you dean, Re: Re: Checked and unchecked
> | status of graphic
> |
> |
> | > As I don't have such program, it's only way to install and check if I
> can
> | > so is this program free? or do you find any color change, or any
graphic
> | > using ctrl+left or right arrow to check the status of the current
item?
> | > or do homerow msaa keys return something meaningful?
> | > Thank you.
> | > Dean Masters wrote:
> | > > Is this function supposed to work whenever you run into the window
> class
> | in
> | > > the script? The program I am working on uses a different class.
Rather
> | than
> | > > the TCheckList it uses TEasyCheckList.unicodeClass.
> | > >
> | > > I commented out the line from your script that had the window class
> and
> | > > created a new line that included the one in my program. I then added
a
> | Say
> | > > to speak when that class was moved to. I didn't get any sign of the
> | class
> | > > being recognized.
> | > >
> | > > Also in this class there doesn't seem to be a graphic representing
the
> | > > checkbox at all. there is nothing at all to let you know if there is
a
> | > > checkbox or which items in the list view have been selected.
> | > >
> | > > I have gotten the checkboxes in another window class to be spoken
when
> | > > changed or when arrowing up or down the list.
> | > >
> | > > Thanks,
> | > > Dean
> | > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> | > > From: "Jitendra" <jeet.invincible@xxxxxxxxx>
> | > > To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> | > > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 12:30 PM
> | > > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: thank you dean, Re: Re: Checked and
> unchecked
> | > > status of graphic
> | > >
> | > >
> | > > | Thanks, I remember of reading some of your messages days back, but
> let
> | > > | me know if it works for you,.
> | > > | Dean Masters wrote:
> | > > | > thanks for this. I have a Bible software program that uses this
> | window
> | > > | > class. I can't see the checkboxes in them. There seems to be no
> | graphic
> | > > | > either. but I will see if this function helps.
> | > > | >
> | > > | > Dean
> | > > | >
> | > > | > ----- Original Message ----- 
> | > > | > From: "Jitendra" <jeet.invincible@xxxxxxxxx>
> | > > | > To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> | > > | > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 9:48 PM
> | > > | > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Checked and unchecked status of
graphic
> | > > | >
> | > > | >
> | > > | > | Hello, After having that much trouble, and asking you all, I
was
> | able
> | > > to
> | > > | > | discover the following, it solves my problem, and hope useful
to
> | some
> | > > of
> | > > | > | you as well. its not that much complicated or special though.
> | > > | > | Void Function CheckStatus ()
> | > > | > | Var
> | > > | > | Handle hwnd,
> | > > | > | Int Color,
> | > > | > | string Class
> | > > | > | Let hwnd = GetFocus ()
> | > > | > | Let Class = GetWindowClass (hwnd)
> | > > | > | If Class == "TCheckListBox" Then
> | > > | > | SaveCursor ()
> | > > | > | JAWSCursor ()
> | > > | > | SaveCursor ()
> | > > | > | RouteJAWSToPc ()
> | > > | > | PriorCharacter ()
> | > > | > | Let Color = GetColorText ()
> | > > | > | If Color == "0" Then
> | > > | > | SayFormattedMessage (OT_MESSAGE, "checked")
> | > > | > | Else
> | > > | > | SayFormattedMessage (OT_MESSAGE, "not checked")
> | > > | > | EndIf
> | > > | > | EndIf
> | > > | > | EndFunction
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