Hi Octavian.
I've been pretty under the pump lately with stuff on, so haven't replied to
this nearly as early as I'd have wished! I began it, but never sent it.
today I will. Hope I not too late.
I just wanted to sincerely and heartily echo your findings below, re toshiba
laptops, and their still having the most tactile-friendly keyboards! Re the
spaces between each block of 4 funtion keys, and spacing around their arrow
keys so you can jolly well distinguish them relatively easily, with a space
separating the NumberPad, Duplicate home/end, pageUp/Down, and insert/delete
keys, like desktops, etc etc..
I have just spent absolutely ages looking for a laptop that I felt I could
bare the keyboard of, and decided pretty quickly to focus only on Toshiba,
for this very reason! Plus, they still had both applications key, and only
the leftHand Windows key unfortunately, but it seems that no laptops for a
while, if ever, had both left and right windows keys, as I seem to remember
my desktop keyboard having back in the day, though it's been so many years
now since I used it, that I can't rightly remember how that even felt! :(
So, unless I'm too late, I just wanted to tell you, that here in Australia,
I just bought a new laptop, with an i7 4700HQ QuadCore 2.4GHZ Processor,
(only 4th Gen though, not 5th Gen, which is the current crop of processors
mostly selling here now.
I will tell you that it's keyboard is not quite as nice, as regards the
bounce-factor "feel" of the keys on my toshiba laptop of 6 years ago, which
I'm typing on now, but, of course everyone is moving towards thinner and
thinner machines, so that kind of nice, decent bouncy key travel feel stuff,
has to take second place I guess. :(.
And, no doubt I will get used to it.
I agree with you too, that not all markers on the f and J are equal, even
among Toshiba machines.
The ones on my new model are nicer than some of the ones I felt in stores
though.
I don't know if the part/model numbers translate across country boarders, so
take the below with that caveat.
But, in case it helps you/anyone else looking, This model I ended up getting
from Ebay, was a:
Toshiba p50T -B010.
The Whole part number was:
PSPNVA-01000N.
It only came with 8GB RAM, and one normal 1TB hdD and no SSD. But, I
decided to have a technition remove the CDRom optical drive, and get the
correct special Caddy thing that he ordered, to put the standard HDD in that
spot, and put an SSD in the HDD slot, and then to load it up with both win7
on one partition of the SSD, and win8.1, on another, so that I could support
people with both OS's.
Basically in Toshiba land too, if your a person who likes a bit of
performance from the machine, my technition reckons the letter U after the
processor number, as in 4200U, generally means it's structured more for
battery life preservation rather than performance. So, he advised me to
stick to the 4700MQ/HQ, or higher.
I'm not sure of the difference between the MQ and the HQ processors either
though unfortunately.
I noticed too that the 4700 run at standard 2.4GHZ, 4710HQ, run slightly
faster standard, at 2.5GHZ, and the 4720HQ, at 2.6. So, yeah. just to share
that as wel.
You may also wanna just test the sound of the machines before you buy, i.e.
volume/tone, if you halfway care about that kind of thing. the P, before the
model number of the older 4th gen models, apparently stood for Premium, and
they tend to sport the harman/kardon speakers.
Anyway that's probably enough for this somewhat off-topic posting :).
If you would like to know any further details, write me offList and I'll
tell you anything more I can.
Also, if your in the states, I had a feeling that you could get custom
models made up from Toshiba over there!
Regards
GC
From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2015 8:30 PM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Laptop recommendation
If the laptop is a 15.6 inch and it has a numeric pad, do we need to have
physical mouse button keys?
Can't we use the standard way offered by JAWS (numpad / and numpad *)?
For me the missing application key is not a problem. I removed it even
from
my desktop keyboard, together with the Windows keys. :-)
I assigned it to Control+` in default.jss and it does an Shift+F10. And it
works fine.
Today I visited 2 important computer seller shops and I tested many
keyboards. I've seen that Toshiba seems to have the best accessible
keyboards.
I've seen one with an I5 processor and 4 gb ram that was pretty cool. It
has
spaces above the left/right arrows, some vertical space at the left of the
numeric block, and... something very rare, actually found on this laptop
only, the function keys were separated in blocks of 4 keys with spaces,
like
on a desktop keyboard.
Too bad that they didn't have a model with an I7 processor and at least 8
gb
ram.
And the marks on f and j keys were not very raised unfortunately, but this
can be solved by sticking something on those keys.
I also found some Dell and Acer laptops with spaces above left/right keys,
but no space that separates the numeric block and the rest of keys.
Lenovo and Assus were pretty bad, with all keys the same, with the same
amount of space between all keys, so it is hard to work on them.
So I need to search some more.
I haven't seen HP laptops, but I heard that their keys are also not very
well separated.
--Octavian
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From: "Soronel Haetir" <soronel.haetir@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2015 10:37 AM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Laptop recommendation
I don't really have a recommendation.
I've been fairly happy with my current HP except that it does not have
an applications key (I used a tool to remap the print screen key to
perform that action but I find that less than ideal). Also, it seems
to get BIOS updates on an all too regular basis and when that happens
the F-key row gets set back to action keys (where you need to use the
Fn key in combination in order to get the normal F key behavior) and
when that happens I require sighted assistance to change the BIOS
setting back to what I want.
As far as the application key bit goes I simply doubt I will be buying
another laptop without physically handling the model first. This one
has a full sized keyboard (meaning it has a separate numpad, arrow
keys, home/end, page up/page down) but it simply lacks the application
key. Sad bit is this one is physically a little wider (by about 1/2")
than my prior laptop (which was also an HP) but the keyboard on the
new one is shoved into a narrower space. Yet the old laptop had an
application key while the new one does not.
Oh, this one also does not have physical mouse button keys, you are
supposed to perform some gesture on the touch pad, I find that a
little annoying also. But I believe that is pretty standard now so
probably something that will just have to be endured.
On 7/17/15, Octavian Rasnita <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
OK, thanks Doug and Soronel. This is good news. :-)
Do you have recommendations for a certain brand or model that offers a
little better accessible keyboard by chance?
--Octavian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Lee" <doug.lee@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2015 3:18 AM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Laptop recommendation
High-resolution laptops can break scripts that run against old,
non-DPI-aware applications. I'm not sure if changing the screen
resolution would fix this because I haven't tried, but I fully expect
that tactic to succeed. I would not tend to avoid a good laptop
because of the high-DPI issues. I am running one of those things right
now. :-)
On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 02:22:27AM +0300, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
Hello,
Can you please tell me if the laptops with very high resolution like ~
1900
x 100 or even ~ 3000 x 2000 dpi can create a problem for JAWS scripts?
Or if we manually set the resolution to something low like 1024 x 768,
then
it doesn't matter the max possible resolution of display?
I am searching for a good laptop and I want to know if I should avoid
something.
Thanks.
--Octavian
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