Hi, On reading the thread back, I have to backtrack a bit here. Provided you get a sighted person to tick the alert window checkbox that says don't show this message again, John's of course correct. Removing tin hat.... -----Original Message----- From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tiddy Ogg Sent: 16 October 2008 13:36 To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Windows update Robin, John, you're probably both right and it depends whether you have to log in at start up or whether you've set it up to go straight to the desk top. -----Original Message----- From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of martin wilsher Sent: 16 October 2008 12:43 To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Windows update I alter the start up msconfig all the time. When programmes load needless rubbish onto the system, I envoke msconfig, tell the needless rubbish to go away, restart, and jaws pops up at login, and at desktop, it works fine fine fine.From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of john coley Sent: 16 October 2008 11:57 To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Windows update Robin, I'm right. I do it all the time. If you don't believe me try it yourself. Set Jaws to start automatically, then alter the startup list, reboot and see if jaws fires up. John. -- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Clayden" <r.clayden@xxxxxxxxx> To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 11:51 AM Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Windows update John, you're wrong, sorry. Go try it. -----Original Message----- From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of john coley Sent: 16 October 2008 11:47 To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Windows update Robin, the window appears after the desktop loads. Even if someone can't see, as most, if not all of us can't you can tell when the desktop's loaded as you'll hear the windows start sound. John. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Clayden" <r.clayden@xxxxxxxxx> To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 11:40 AM Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Windows update Hi, I'm putting the tin hat on here in case I'm wrong, but if you can't see the selective mode window and depend on your jfw, a hot key will not load it. Jaws will not load until you reach the desktop, so like I say, when you re boot after altering the msconfig startup list you will be met with silence so unless you've rehearsed how many tabs you need before you hit enter, you're stuck until a pair of eyes clears that window and allows the machine to complete its boot up. 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