[jaws-uk] Re: Editting a Word doc, format problem?

  • From: "MaggieMoore" <maggie_moore@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:20:39 +0100

Thanks for that Robin.  And thank you Phil.  This is something really useful 
to know.

Maggie
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robin Clayden" <r.clayden@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 10:51 AM
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Editting a Word doc, format problem?


> Hi Tim, Phil and Maggie,
>
> Thanks to you all for your feedback. Didn't have much joy by saving it
> as .rtf, but as Phil suggested, I unprotected the document via the tools
> menu, was then able to read, navigate and even add comments and edit
> options easily. Then I just resaved the document.
>
> That worked a treat, so I'll just zapp it back to them with a few
> comments.
>
> I find it incredible that such an innocuous document can so easily screw
> up our wonderful world leading Jaws screen reader... But also, when
> you're dealing with blind and VI users and completing and editting
> forms, why on earth do they worry about layout and presentation, keep it
> plain and simple! *steam*
>
> Being into web design a bit myself, it's not even that difficult that
> they could put a good accessible electronic online form up on their
> website for completion, instead of this e mail attachment idea.=20
>
> Cheers, Robin.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of tim.pennick@xxxxxx
> Sent: 20 April 2006 10:20
> To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Editting a Word doc, format problem?
>
>
> Hi Robin,
>
> It's the bit about navigation and editing being restricted that's the
> giveaway.  Try saving it as RTF and see if you can navigate it more
> easily, or select, copy and paste the whole lot into another document.
> It was something like this that got me out of the problem, but I can't
> remember exactly what.  As I said, I'd get back to the GDBA if I were
> you, as if you fix it privately, then they'll continue to send the form
> out to others who will duplicate your effort.
>
> Regards,
>
> Tim=3D20
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Robin Clayden
> Sent: 20 April 2006 10:05
> To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Editting a Word doc, format problem?
>
> Hi Tim, Phil, Maggie,
>
> Routing jfw to pc you can read through the document with the arrow keys
> no problem, but to attempt editting answers, well it's a nightmare.
> Here's what the F1 help said about it Tim,
>
> You can type text in this edit field or navigate using standard reading
> commands. This is a document window. This is an Edit form field in which
> you can type information. Edit the text with standard editing commands.
> To move between fields use Tab and Shift+Tab. This is a cell in column 2
> row 4 in table 1 which has 6 rows. The table is non-uniform, which means
> that each row may have a varying number of columns, or a cell may span
> more than one row. This particular row has 2 columns. At least one cell
> in this table spans more than one column. The document contains 2
> tables. The document contains 49 fields. The document contains 1 objects
> in the drawing layer.  JAWS can only detect objects in the Text Layer.
> To attempt to place Drawing Layer objects in the Text Layer press
> Alt+Control+Shift+C.
> Document protection status is:
> Allow only form fields
> This means that navigation and editing is restricted.
> Grammar is checked as you type.
>
>
> For Office XP:
> List smart tags in this document  JAWSKey+Alt+Shift+S Show Smart Tag
> Actions menu  JAWSKey+Control+Alt+S=3D3D20
>
>
> Cheers, Robin.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of tim.pennick@xxxxxx
> Sent: 20 April 2006 09:52
> To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Editting a Word doc, format problem?
>
>
> Robin,
>
> I've had the same problem, and as Phil Medway says, its probably caused
> by the document having been set up as a form which is always going to
> give JAWS problems.  You can find out by hitting insert-f1.  JAWS should
> tell you if it has been set as a form.  I remember having to do
> something involving removing password control over the document with
> which I had this problem, but I'd have thought its really down to the
> GDBA to get this sorted out.  If anyone can be expected to supply
> accessible documents to blind people it ought to be them.  Have you
> tried telling the person that supplied you with the form that you can't
> fill it in?  They must have come across this problem before, though this
> may be yet another symptom of the problems caused by the
> decentralisation of the association.
>
> Regards,
>
> Tim Pennick=3D3D3D20
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Robin Clayden
> Sent: 20 April 2006 08:55
> To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [jaws-uk] Editting a Word doc, format problem?
>
> Hi all,
>
> It's difficult to explain what is happening here without maybe someone
> on here accepting the document as an attachment off list and looking at
> it for themselves.
>
> Basically it's a guide dog monthly report form I need to complete and
> return to GDBA Forfar, but Jaws just doesn't read it well at all. It's
> in .doc format and tables layout, and tabbing or arrowing through it is
> just a nightmare, skipping past questions etc. It is almost impossible
> to navigate as you just don't have a consistent idea of your position in
> the page.
>
> I have tried it on both here and at home, fiddling around with the view
> settings and the only bit of success in reading the thing is if I route
> jfw to pc, but then that doesn't help when you need to insert comments
> or answers to the questions. I had to save it as a text document, fill
> in answers and then re save it back to .doc, but surely I shouldn't have
> to faff around like that?
>
> Anyone like to have a look?
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Robin Clayden, Switchboard.
> Edinburgh College of Art.
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