Hi Ian and all, I agree about entombed music and sound effects are tops. I played it again to remind myself and yeah, it all seems so natural how all the sounds work. Back then I didn't think much of it, cause I wasn't interested in sounds. However, now, it is like, Wow! That was great! Whoever did those sounds are keen in my book. anyway... Since the cat got let out of the bag, I figured I might as well open a can of tuna. I was thinking about real time town and "dungeon" exploration which is a generic term for inside or outside maps. Some of the things that players might want precreated for them is weather, movement of time, food and water consumption, the timingof caravans/merchants/units from town to town, wandering units/monsters, randomized lists for treasure, shopkeepers, monsters, special events etc and so forth. One of the biggest things I was thinking about was the game system itself. I think you are going to need a "getting started system" that is balanced and works for those who want to create scenarios but not whole rpg systems. That way it is usable out of the box, so to speak. As for systems, is it possible to cater to diffrent types of systems developed by rpg makers? For example, vampire is a very diffrent system from dungeons and dragons. Vampire involves an attributte plus skill=number of d10 rolled with a difficulty of 7 or higher as a success. So it is all skill based. D and D is a class system, where each class increases in power based on their profession, and uses a d20 with modifiers to hit a calculated number. This would also include levelling up. Usually getting experience points, or being awarded points to stick into skills and and traits, or getting bigger bonuses for various rolls, as well as increasing totals of health, mana, attributes or whatever. Taht all seems like a rpg makers perogative but I don't know so I mention it. In entombed, the things that I thought worked well were the equip screen. It didn't go far enough however, and should have included other body parts so that magical items could be used that wasn't strictly armor. Fingers, eyes, toes, nose, ears, back, neck...I am thinking this would need to be part of the base system and let creators move froward from there to add the weird stuff. Also, templates would have to be made for the various critters all over the place, like centaurs, spiders and dogs to name a few. I felt the damageing body parts was interesting, but not necessary. I do not knowhow important it would be to people to include such an ability. Personally, I don't mind the tried and true one health fits all, lol. The town menus was actually not bad, and I can see where something like this would be nice to have not only in smaller towns, but inside a building. For instance, you could walk into a tavern and have several options, like go to the gambling table, go play some darts, go get a drink and information, or go sit ina cornerand act mysterious, etc and so forth. Other times, a person might want to present the city as a map, and then the player wanders around the map and gets into trouble or finds submaps or jobs etc and so forth. Baldurs gate the city was actually several maps large, and that is not counting the underground sewage labyrinth, and theives guild. each section of the city was an adventure all by itself. so it is good that both types are supported, and hopefully both types can exist in teh same campaign. What I didn't like too much was the inventory. Entombed had to lump everything together since there was just so much stuff to use and wear etc. I would have prefered inventory for each unit however, and I am sure that can be streamlined somehow for makers. I don't mind the battles being menu driven or tb style, either or works, although I do like TB better for most ocasions. It just feels more like the old gaming I used to do, lol. I remember playing d and d all weekend, living on nothing but pizza delivered by dominos. Dominos was still saying it could deliver in under thirty minutes, but our street was so hard to find, we got several free pizzas before they finally figured it out, grin. Lastly is the dungeon exploration itself. That is tough, cause ont he one hand, you got entombed as an example. There is alot of keys that are really necessary to keep someone from loseing their way. Anchor points or markers might be a good idea for that kind of thing, but the nearest unexplored available was perhaps the most pressed key in the entire game. It really helped alot, but I don't know if the rpg maker will nmeed that or not, or if it wil be a flag or something similar. Entombed had random maps, but maybe in the campaigns to be made, there won't be such a huge need, other then placing markers for a player to help get back to wherever they want to go. Something to think about , anyway. al "The truth will set you free" Jesus Christ of Nazareth 33A.D.