[ian-reeds-games] Re: A response
- From: "Allan Thompson" <allan1.thompson@xxxxxxx>
- To: <ian-reeds-games@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 18:56:21 -0500
Those are great suggestions!
I think I like them all.
al
"The truth will set you free"
Jesus Christ of Nazareth 33A.D.
----- Original Message -----
From: Zak Claassen
To: ian-reeds-games@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 4:11 PM
Subject: [ian-reeds-games] Re: A response
Tile effects could fill in for temporary terrain, so replacing terrain
doesn't necessarily have to have a timer attached to it. If both
skills and effects can change terrain that would be a solution to
splash_effects also causing changes to terrain. This also reminds me,
could you add the not_affect_flying flag to skills too? What I had in
mind was making melee attacks not reach flying units. Oh and one more
thing I thought about, having just effects applied to a unit when a
point reaches 0 is a bit limiting, it would be useful to make it do
something, like explode when it has been defeated or whatever. Maybe
if you could specify a skill which should be automatically triggered
when a point reaches 0. That way you could do more useful things with
points reaching 0, like having a structure doing something every
number of turns by making it lose a point per turn but having the
skill triggered restore its points again.
On 1/22/13, Allan Thompson <allan1.thompson@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> I think I have to explain the map I am kicking around so that it makes some
> sense.
>
> There was an old board game named dungeon. Up to six people would wander
> around a large map that looked like a dungeon and would take turns
> wandering, going into diffrent leveled rooms, kill diffrent monsters of
> diffrent difficulty level and find items and treasure, again based on level
> of the room/monster. The first person with a certain amount of gold or items
> worth gold, and makes it back to the starting chamber wins.
> The ultimate purpose of the map is multiplayer. I figured the easiest most
> basic map would be comparable to a board game.
>
> The board game had very low hitpoints. Monsters could be killed with 1 hit,
> but monsters could hit the players if missed and could wound them. The
> monsters would never leave the rooms or chambers.
> In TB, when you have movment, the player can run up to a monster, hit it,
> and if failed, and has movement left, can just back up one and avoide
> getting attacked back. I didn't want to give the monsters higher ranges for
> their attacks, so I gave them a movement point instead. However, that didn't
> solve the problem if the player had more movement, so I decided to add a
> stun effect. That way the player, when they attack or do a number of other
> diffrent actions, will stand in one spot so that the monsters get their
> turn, etc.
>
> The workaround I got actually works better then the previous attempt. I
> added a at_zero=stun effect to anything that uses actions (monsters use a
> diffrent point for doing actions). Anytime the action is performed, the
> player is stopped for the rest of their turn. This works actually better
> overall then the previous attempt so it all works well now.
>
> What Carlos mentioned threw me for a loop. Can that really happen? I thought
> that was some kind of star trek thing, sending the mad computer into an
> infinite loop that causes it to blow itself up, lol.
> In my mind the best way would be a simple immunity flag. An immune=fire for
> damage type would work great, at least, from my point of view. I don't know
> if that would make damage go to zero or if the skill simply won't work by
> comparing damage types. Come to think of it, couldn't there be an flag that
> causes just one or two skills to become unusable?
> For instance, no_attack or no_longsword,fireball etc and so forth.
> That might go towards a disarm skill, or a system failure on a ship or
> something.
>
> So, if I get the jist of it, changable terrain is hard due to a number of
> changes it could go thru in any one scenario. So you need a timer or point
> counter to make the terrain change at a certain number of turns. So maybe a
> terrain can have an at_xx= flag which kicks in an effect that causes a
> change in terrain. When it reaches it's max number or at zero it could
> remain a permenant terrain to end the cycle. So I guess one could have a
> number of at_xx flags in one terrain. bear with me, I don't know how it will
> ultimately look, but it is just how I am describing it in terms I understand
> already.
>
> Maybe structures need some rework? Especially for bridges and things. Take a
> way a need to be a team, give it terrain flags in addition to what it
> already has, and it could problably fill some in the gaps like bridges and
> whatnot. It could also easily "change" since it can summon. Once it is
> killed thru point counter or some other way, it can have an summon effect
> and an unsummon effect, where it summons a structure that replaces it as if
> it was a terrain, and it disappears as it unsummons itself. So you can have
> grass strucute changd to burning grass, then to burnt out terrain etc.
> I don't know, maybe that is the stupidest idea ever, lol. It just seems
> taht you need just one type of object that can do anything and everything
> to fill in all the nooks and corners.
>
> al
>
> "The truth will set you free"
> Jesus Christ of Nazareth 33A.D.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ian Reed
> To: ian-reeds-games@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 10:28 AM
> Subject: [ian-reeds-games] A response
>
>
> Hi all!
>
> I've been pretty busy but am trying to catch up now.
>
> Carlos, I've added random numbers for max and chance to my list. As you
> say these should only be calculated once when the map begins.
>
> Allan, parsing just means reading the file. So really it was a generic
> error message. I've tried to improve it a bit.
> Code can have so many errors and it's impossible to imagine them all in
> advance so it's helpful when you can let me know that a specific
> scenario gave a confusing error message so I can improve it.
>
> Austen, sounds like downloading and running that file fixed 1.12 dev 1
> for you. Is that right or was it something else you changed?
> Can you send me a map that demonstrates the game freezing on the first
> AI turn?
>
> Glad to hear you like the chance and damage rolls and always glad to
> hear about getting more players for TB. Thanks!
> Interesting about the AI summoning mines issue.
> Again, if you can send me a map that does this on the first turn that
> would help me figure it out.
>
> Allan, I've added your feature requests to my list.
> Good to know about the line of sight bug after an enemy that blocks
> sight is defeated.
> I'll try to get this one fixed soon.
>
> Austen, Allan and Zak, I like the idea that changes one terrain to
> another the best.
> So maybe a skill flag that looks like replace_terrain=grass|burnt_grass.
> So the grass is the only terrain it changes and it changes it to burnt
> grass.
> What about the scenario where you cast fireball and the splash damage
> affects a nearby forest tile.
> Should the forest tile somehow get an "on fire" effect for a certain
> number of turns?
> Or does it just change to a forest on fire terrain?
> And if it changes terrain it would seem we would need a way to change it
> again after a certain number of turns.
> We would change it to burnt forest, which no longer causes fire damage
> but may have different properties than a forest tile.
> I'm not sure the best way to handle all this or the simplest yet most
> flexible way for map creators to input it.
> I'm open to more thoughts on it.
>
> Allan, you mentioned that if a skill fails to work due to a chance= flag
> then the effects it causes do not work either.
> At first I was going to say this was by design but then Zak brought up
> self_effects and self_inflict.
> Is this what you were referring to?
> I agree it's a bug that when a skill fails it does not do self_effects
> or self_inflict.
> Zak wondered how that would work if a skill intended to heal yourself
> failed but still did the self_restore.
> I think that if the purpose of the skill is to heal yourself then you
> should use restore= instead of self_restore= because when you are the
> target of the skill you could use either one to heal yourself but the
> restore= will only work if the skill succeeds.
> I will fix this bug in the near term.
> If you were actually talking about wanting inflict= to do no damage but
> for the effects= flag to still work then this is the other option Zak
> suggested about having a chance of for each effect, plus I'd need to let
> effects do initial damage so you could have a damage effect and a stun
> effect and the skill would have 100% success, the damage would have a
> smaller amount and the stun would have 100%.
> Not sure when I'll get around to that though.
>
> Allan, you tried to make a unit immune to fire but found that the unit
> would always take 1 damage regardless of how high it's resistance is.
> This is due to some very old logic that ensured that every attack dealt
> at least 1 damage.
> Thinking about it now I think it should be removed as it's the map
> creators responsibility to make sure units can still take damage and it
> makes more sense to allow for the total immunity to fire scenario you
> mentioned.
>
> Carlos mentioned that cost can not be reduced to 0 and I think this one
> is still important to keep for the reasons he mentioned.
>
> Ian Reed
>
>
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