[huskerlug] Re: Gentoo Question on package development/portage.
- From: "Paul Andrews" <pandrews@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: huskerlug@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 18:16:15 -0600
> I go to great lengths to avoid compiling anything anymore since <Rocky
> the flying squirrel> That trick never works...</Rocky the flying
> squirrel>
lmao...
I'm glad to hear that Yum has gotten better... I remember the cursor screens
full of:
wget <package>
rpm -i <package>
rpm -e <other package>
Lather rinse repeat.
> I will say that SuSE still has real package issues and annoyances.
*Sigh*... Novell... what are we going to do with you?
Paul
On 2/2/07, Carl Lundstedt <clundst@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> I've been having good luck with RPMs of late in Fedora and CentOS. Yum
> seems to have taken some leaps forward. Its been a long time since I've
> been staring at a cursor stuck in RPMHell(tm).
>
> I will say that SuSE still has real package issues and annoyances. I
> haven't used SuSE since OpenSuse 10.1 (which I think is still pretty
> current) but the silly distro simply DEMANDED that I put the
> installation media in the drive in order to satisfy dependencies. I
> thought that was pretty lame. When I'd disable the DVD as a source then
> RPM-Hell would ensue.
>
> I go to great lengths to avoid compiling anything anymore since <Rocky
> the flying squirrel> That trick never works...</Rocky the flying
> squirrel>
>
> Carl
>
> On Fri, 2007-02-02 at 17:04 -0600, Paul Andrews wrote:
> > > Speed increases are definitely present when compiling with
> > > the -o3 optimizations.
> > I haven't tested the speedup from the different CFLAGS, but I always
> hoped
> > it was worth doing, but the `-03` does have its downfall as it makes
> > debugging software much harder. I had my fill of gdb in college so I
> stay
> > away from that one when I can. ;-)
> >
> > Do you use binaries on your notebook or are you just not worried about
> > leaving in running for an extended period of time when initially
> installing
> > your system? That's the biggest hold back I've had from putting Gentoo
> on
> > my 'book. Synaptic/apt-get/binary distros are quite nice for that
> usage.
> >
> > > I'm never going back to anything RPM based.
> >
> > Honestly, I couldn't agree more with this statement... I come from a
> > RedHat/Fedora background though. RPM-hell just isn't worth the trouble.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > On 2/2/07, Joseph R. Smith <joe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >
> > > speaking as a gentoo user:
> > >
> > > Speed increases are definitely present when compiling with the -o3
> > > optimizations. using USE flags to specify what components to add and
> > > remove
> > > from package defaults gives it some edge too.
> > >
> > > You don't have to compile packages from scratch, using the -k command
> will
> > > install binaries.
> > >
> > > I love apt-get, but the level of control emerge and friends gives you
> is
> > > unbeatable-- and honestly, very straightforward.
> > >
> > > (I have gentoo installed on a sony vaio notebook (fs660) with all the
> > > hardware
> > > working, minimal effort).
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm a gentoo convert previously running SuSE as my main distro. I'm
> never
> > > going back to anything RPM based.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Friday 02 February 2007 00:19, Charles Leslie wrote:
> > > > > I usually don't run into any problems with packages getting hosed,
> and
> > > > > I've been running Gentoo for almost three years now. Although, I
> do
> > > > > enjoy the "struggle" to update some packages. Is that
> masochistic?
> > > > > Probably... but it is my entertainment. What is nice though is
> when
> > > my
> > > > > brother is having trouble compiling a package of some kind (he
> likes
> > > > > Debian based distros) and I have already run into the problem and
> > > found
> > > > > the answer on gentoo's forums. But I defiantly wouldn't recommend
> > > this
> > > > > for everyone (not even to my brother).
> > > >
> > > > Gentoo users sometimes remind me of ultralight backpackers who cut
> the
> > > > edges off their maps and the end off their toothbrush to save
> weight.
> > > > Unnecessary? maybe. But I guess there is something to be said about
> > > > knowing that you went to that level.
> > > >
> > > > I know a crazy Linux hermit that still runs a Redhat 4.2 box, or
> > > > that's what it originally was. It's not anymore, he's updated
> nearly
> > > > ever component from source, even recompiling multiple new versions
> of
> > > > the GNU compiler and core system libraries. He installs everything
> > > > from source, and the amount he has learned by doing it is hard to
> > > > dispute. But, for me, sometimes reading man pages and code, for
> days
> > > > on end, isn't worth it when you can just do... apt-get, and get on
> > > > with your valuable life. :)
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