Why doesn't the admin team just come forward and state something oficial. These email threads continue to no end because it seems the subject is still open, everyone, including the admin team members just join in to give their opinions. This is not healthy. It would be best for all if someone in the position to do so, just stepped in and stated 'this is the practice we are adopting and it is final'. I'm all for discussion about open points, but people must clearly understand when something is indeed final. In this context, a modification is a modification and thus the guidelines apply. But let's focus. People are taking these guidelines too seriously in the sense that they feel they can't use Haiku's name or artwork. That is not the case if you _ask permission_ to use them. I'm sure you'll be authorized to use Haiku's name if whatever you are doing is not considered damaging to its name by the admin team. The admin team, and the Haiku community in all just benefit from additional exposure. Assume that everyone wants the project to have that additional exposure as long as it is not harmful to Haiku's name, which is the sole reason for the guidelines to exist. In the end, the amount of time it takes to submit and evaluate a case just depends on how complex it is. If a demo CD just adds some new applications a decision should be made in fairly little time and thus should be no obstacle. However be ready for the people who decide to disagree with you, that's how it works. A warning point for the admin team though, as a developer i'm well aware that people don't always have time to handle Haiku's issues, however, if the handling of these requests takes too long, the community stops believing in the processes (hint: financial report). Hugo