[openbeos-cdt] Re: IRC chat session
- From: <debro@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <openbeos-cdt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 04:37:52 -0300
attached files are not allowed, sorry :P
debro
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Gildehaus" <agildehaus@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <openbeos-cdt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 6:21 PM
Subject: [openbeos-cdt] Re: IRC chat session
> see attatched
>
> Andrew
>
>
> On 2002-04-17 at 02:15:56 [+0000], you wrote:
> >
> > Crud. It was never. Can you post the transcript to the mailing list?
> > Sorry I didn't make it!
> > -Jace
> >
> > On 2002-04-16 at 18:32:33 [-0400], openbeos-cdt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> > > Well... better late than never...
> > > http://openbeos.laevolucion.com/chat/index.htm
> > > You can join the irc.openprojects.net channel through that url. I
> > > hope it works for you!
> > > debro
>
> -- Attached file included as plaintext by Ecartis --
> -- File: #obos-cdt Clipping
>
> *** Now talking in #obos-cdt
> *** Topic: OpenBeOS Creative Team
> *** Topic set by ChanServ @ Tuesday Apr 09 2002 05:54 AM GMT
> -ChanServ- [#obos-cdt] welcome to the openbeos creative team irc channel
> *** Channel mode for #obos-cdt: +n
> -ChanServ- Password identification is required for [IDENTIFY]
> -ChanServ- Type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <password> and retry
> <debro> hi!
> -NickServ- Password accepted - you are now recognized
> *** User mode changed: +e
> -MemoServ- You have no new memos
> -ChanServ- The channel [5ubejadi] is not registered
> -ChanServ- An access level of [35] is required for [OP] on #obos-cdt
> <Androo> hiya debro
> -ChanServ- Password accepted - you are now recognized as a founder for
[#obos-cdt]
> *** ChanServ set mode +o Androo
> <debro> we are a little bit early :P
> *** Androo set mode +o debro
> <debro> thnx
> <Androo> yeah :)
> -ChanServ- Unknown command [kick]
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> <debro> so, what's up?
> -ChanServ- The channel [guard] is not registered
> -ChanServ- Toggled ChanGuard for channel #obos-cdt [OFF]
> *** ChanServ has left the channel.
> <Androo> been busy with my new responsibilities in the QA/Testing team
> <debro> ugh... i'm not aware of anything sorry...
> <debro> :P
> <debro> what's your job there?
> <Androo> lead
> <debro> coo
> <debro> cool
> <debro> ohh! we went golden!
> <debro> :P
> <Androo> also been trying to get the CDT forums on a different server
> <Androo> golden?
> <debro> i was away for a couple of days... and haven't been around here
for a while
> <debro> i mean on the openbeos.org site
> <debro> the "title" is golden now
> <Androo> ah, right
> <debro> so... we are 1:10 hrs away? :P
> <Androo> yep
> <debro> i'm wasting my really expensive dial up connection time... :P
> <debro> and i'm not kidding
> <debro> it's 80 cents/hour, before 10pm
> <Androo> :(
> <debro> it sucks to be me
> <debro> lol
> <Androo> I know plenty of people with metered service.
> <debro> and it's 56k... wich sucks badly
> <debro> why did they asked for buttons if they were gonna make their own?
> <Androo> The author of BePDF asked for buttons, nobody else
> <debro> ohh
> <debro> then i misunderstood
> <debro> do you i should offer myself to help with the official website?
> <debro> *think
> <Androo> I don't think it could hurt. Daniel may want some help.
> <debro> yup
> <debro> what do you think about the restiling of the cdt website?
> <debro> androo, you wont escape
> <debro> :P
> <Androo> I haven't seen it, actually. URL?
> <debro> http://openbeos.laevolucion.com
> <Androo> first off, none of the graphics show in Net+
> <debro> yeah i know
> <debro> :P
> <debro> it doesn't support table bg
> <debro> color
> <debro> i mean... not color, img
> <debro> i have to work that out
> <debro> does it looks good on beZilla?
> <debro> it's pretty hard to work without table bg images... i would have
to make separate buttons... wich will get the page heavier...
> <Androo> looks fine, but I haven't seen it through IE
> <debro> now i've made a stretching version... wich auto adjusts to the
size of the window... but it can't be done without table bg images...
> <Androo> hmm ... would have expected a few people by now
> <debro> yeah me too
> <Androo> going to bring back ChanServ
> -ChanServ- Toggled ChanGuard for channel #obos-cdt [ON]
> *** ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) has joined the channel.
> *** carter.openprojects.net set mode +o ChanServ
> *** ChanServ set mode -o debro
> *** Androo set mode +o debro
> <debro> lol
> <Androo> ChanServ is in guard mode, it'll deop anyone who isn't on the op
list. I'll have to add you.
> -ChanServ- ChanServ allows you to register and control various
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> -ChanServ- which is not used for two weeks, will automatically be
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> -ChanServ- the channel's access list, has a default access
> -ChanServ- level of 0. You may type:
> -ChanServ- /msg ChanServ HELP ACCESS {ADD|DEL|LIST} for more
> -ChanServ- specific information on each command.
> -ChanServ- Syntax: ACCESS <channel> ADD <hostmask> <level>
> -ChanServ- Type: /msg ChanServ HELP ACCESS ADD for more information
> -ChanServ- [debro] has been added to the access list for #obos-cdt with
level [20]
> -ChanServ- Syntax: LIST <pattern>
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> -ChanServ- which is not used for two weeks, will automatically be
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> -ChanServ- For more information on a specific command, type
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> -ChanServ- AKICK Maintain the AutoKick list
> -ChanServ- LEVEL Change the level required for functions
> -ChanServ- LIST Display list of channels matching a pattern
> -ChanServ- INFO Display information for a channel
> -ChanServ- INVITE Invite yourself to a channel
> -ChanServ- OP Op yourself on a channel
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> -ChanServ- UNBAN Unban yourself on a channel
> -ChanServ- CLEAR Clear various channel modes
> -ChanServ- -- Access Levels for [#obos-cdt] --
> -ChanServ- Index Level Type Description
> -ChanServ- ----- ----- ---- -----------
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> -ChanServ- 3 20 CMDVOICE Use of command VOICE
> -ChanServ- 4 35 ACCESS Allow ACCESS modification
> -ChanServ- 5 20 CMDINVITE Use of command INVITE
> -ChanServ- 6 30 AUTOOP Automatic op
> -ChanServ- 7 35 CMDOP Use of command OP
> -ChanServ- 8 35 CMDUNBAN Use of command UNBAN
> -ChanServ- 9 35 AUTOKICK Allow AKICK modification
> -ChanServ- 10 35 CMDCLEAR Use of command CLEAR
> -ChanServ- 11 35 SET Modify channel SETs
> -ChanServ- 12 40 SUPEROP All of the above
> -ChanServ- -- End of list --
> -ChanServ- Syntax: ACCESS <channel> {ADD|DEL|LIST} [mask [level]]
> -ChanServ- Type: /msg ChanServ HELP ACCESS for more information
> -ChanServ- Unknown switch [rem]
> -ChanServ- Type: /msg ChanServ HELP ACCESS for more information
> -ChanServ- [debro] has been removed from the access list for #obos-cdt
> -ChanServ- [debro] has been added to the access list for #obos-cdt with
level [30]
> [x] debro (lotr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
> [x] Legolas from the distant Mirkwood
> [x] Channels: #openbeos @#obos-cdt
> [x] Server: irc.openprojects.net (http://www.openprojects.net/)
> [x] Idle: 45secs
> [x] Signon: Tuesday Apr 16 2002 10:16 PM GMT
> <Androo> debro, have you registered your nick with NickServ?
> <debro> yep
> <Androo> ok, try leaving the room and entering again ... ChanServ should
op you automatically
> *** debro has left the channel.
> *** debro (lotr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) has joined the
channel.
> *** ChanServ set mode +o debro
> *** debro set mode +nt
> <Androo> :)
> <debro> where is everyone?
> <Androo> dunno
> <Androo> this is the problem with this group, no participation
> <Androo> not sure why stuart isn't here
> <debro> yeah
> <debro> maybe connection problems again
> *** stubear (~stubear@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) has joined the
channel.
> -ChanServ- [stubear!*@*] has been added to the access list for #obos-cdt
with level [30]
> *** GuyHaviv_ (obos_@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) has joined the channel.
> <GuyHaviv_> howdy.
> <stubear> sorry...I just got back froma walk and got hooked on the game
when I got back :)
> <debro> hello
> -ChanServ- [stubear] was not found on the access list for #obos-cdt
> *** debro set mode +oo GuyHaviv_ stubear
> *** ChanServ set mode -o GuyHaviv_
> *** ChanServ set mode -o stubear
> <debro> ewww
> <GuyHaviv_> lol,
> <debro> lol
> -ChanServ- [stubear!*@*] has been removed from the access list for
#obos-cdt
> <GuyHaviv_> evil chanserv.
> <debro> yeah
> <debro> mean
> <Androo> register for your nicks and I'll add you to the op list
> [x] GuyHaviv_ (obos_@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
> [x] iiiii
> [x] Channels: #obos-cdt #openbeos
> [x] Server: irc.openprojects.net (http://www.openprojects.net/)
> [x] Idle: 32secs
> [x] Signon: Wednesday Apr 17 2002 12:07 AM GMT
> <stubear> how do you do that?
> <Androo> do a /msg nickserv register password
> <stubear> ok, done
> <debro> ohh i love to see the 40+ of us here :D
> <debro> ...
> <debro> ...
> -ChanServ- Syntax: ACCESS <channel> ADD <hostmask> <level>
> -ChanServ- Type: /msg ChanServ HELP ACCESS ADD for more information
> -ChanServ- [stubear] has been added to the access list for #obos-cdt with
level [30]
> *** Androo set mode +o stubear
> -ChanServ- [GuyHaviv_] has been added to the access list for #obos-cdt
with level [30]
> <GuyHaviv_> also done.
> *** Androo set mode +o GuyHaviv_
> <stubear> I guess this is it for tonight...five people
> <debro> 4 actually :P
> <Androo> seems like it .. how was the turnout last time?
> <GuyHaviv_> chanserv is op? im too used to dalnet.
> <stubear> oops, you're right
> <debro> bah... chanserv is more active than a lot of the members...
> -ChanServ- Toggled ChanGuard for channel #obos-cdt [OFF]
> *** ChanServ has left the channel.
> <Androo> there, happy? :)
> <GuyHaviv_> lol
> <stubear> Androo, the turnouts have been rather small.
> <GuyHaviv_> does beos work with vmWare?
> <debro> we are 40+ and only 10-15 participate
> <debro> i should be on class right now
> <debro> lol
> <Androo> Stuart, I think it's about time to start sending out pings to the
members who aren't participating and removing anyone who doesn't respond.
> <stubear> Guy, I don't think so. I've never been able to get it to run in
any emulation software
> <GuyHaviv_> Stuart - didnt you get my /msgs?
> <debro> i agree with you androo
> <stubear> Androo, the group could use a little trimming
> <stubear> Guy, yes
> <GuyHaviv_> i also agree, but it has to be done carefully.. the messages
should be polite etc.
> <GuyHaviv_> yes you got them or you didnt get them
> <Androo> of course
> <stubear> yes I got them
> <stubear> ok, to the task at hand...
> <GuyHaviv_> then why is it difficult to answer
> <stubear> the messages on IRC just now or e-mail earlier?
> <GuyHaviv_> both
> <stubear> I never got any e-mail from you directly, just a couple messages
on IRC just now
> <GuyHaviv_> well i sent about 3.
> <GuyHaviv_> perhaps to an outdated email box.
> <stubear> the last e-mail I got from you was the one I requested from
everyone in the group
> <GuyHaviv_> i sent a memberlist with emails, the webspace password on
BGA's server, some other stuff
> <stubear> It could be. My e-mail did change to stubear@xxxxxxxxx a month
or so ago
> <GuyHaviv_> ok..
> <stubear> I thought I had told everyone
> <stubear> sorry
> <stubear> ok, NOW to the task at hand
> <debro> yeah
> <stubear> As everyone knows OBOS needs a name. This task falls on our
group to compile a list for those higher up to choose from in the best way
they deem fit; flip a coin, play darts with the list, whatever
> <debro> hehe
> <stubear> Unfortunately, to date people have been just throwing out names
without really considering what OBOS is and the message the group (OBOS)
needs to send to the computer community at large
> <stubear> I've been just as guilty, I'm not pointing fingers here
> <stubear> so, that being said, I thought IRC would be a good way to spark
some ideas and discussion without the lag of the mailing list and the forum
> <debro> i still support the people concept
> <debro> but is pretty hard to find out names
> <debro> i've worked on some latin and spanish words, wich are pretty cool
> <stubear> Debro, true, naming products is not an easy task
> * Androo grabs a dictonary
> <debro> we spent MONTHS thinking about names to my website
> <debro> and finally "La Evolucion" came out
> <debro> wich means Evolution
> <stubear> Some ideas and concepts to date have been:
> <stubear> concepts - starfish or octopus, astronomy sources (galaxies,
etc.), community or people oriented, and mythical
> <debro> yep
> <debro> do we really want to express what obos is with the name?
> <stubear> names - terra or magma (something elemental), jaffa (a nice jab
at Apple, Inc.), and one I thought up the other day based on mythology,
Pandora
> <debro> that's the way i'm going
> <debro> elemental
> <debro> but in latin... wich sounds neat
> <stubear> elemental - earth, fire, wind, air or combinations thereof
> <debro> should i start showing you what i got?
> <Androo> I was thinking perhaps we could throw out a few words starting
with "Be" ... there's plenty to chose from.
> <debro> uhm...
> <stubear> well, I'd like to hear from everyone present what they think
BeOS is and the message they would like to send to the community
> <debro> isn't Be registered
> <debro> ?
> <Androo> debro, yes
> <stubear> That's where Jaffa came from, sort of
> <debro> that might bring some legal issues
> <debro> jaffa is like an orange?
> <stubear> yes
> <Androo> debro, no ... not if we use a word like "Beatle"
> <Androo> just an example, of course
> <stubear> Debro, I meant yes, Jaffa is a variety of orange which grows in
Guy's neck of the woods
> <debro> uh?
> <debro> well we can use "Naranja" :P
> <debro> wich means orange in spanish
> <debro> hehe
> -lilo- [Global Notice] Hi all. Please congratulate Bdale Garbee, the
newly-elected Debian Project Leader. OPN extends its best wishes! :)
> <Androo> seems a bit long
> <debro> yeah, and ugly too :P
> <stubear> brb
> <debro> are we gonna explain this further or should i start suggesting
some words?
> <Androo> shoot, I'm scanning the dictionary at the moment, hoping for a
little inspiration
> <GuyHaviv_> jaffa is an israely orange brand...
> <Androo> I like "Jaffa", but it doesn't say much about the OS.
> <debro> well in spanish it doesn't sound good
> <Androo> explain?
> <debro> sound like "chafa" wich is a mexican expresion for "bad" "poor"
> <GuyHaviv_> well im sorry, but i really sure head to sleep.
> <debro> what's the time there?
> <GuyHaviv_> 3:39 at night (or should i say morning)
> <GuyHaviv_> wow that was a horrible sentence.
> <stubear> yeah, go to bed. Thanks for showing up though.
> <debro> nice :D again you are on tomorrow! in the future!
> <debro> lol
> <GuyHaviv_> well, see you. im just very tired.. im awake for like 22
hours.
> <debro> ok
> <debro> see ya Guy
> *** saffertan (~openbeos@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) has joined the channel.
> <debro> hey nate
> <GuyHaviv_> hi nate. bye nate.
> <GuyHaviv_> :)
> *** GuyHaviv_ (obos_@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) has quit IRC ("Leaving")
> <saffertan> hey ya'll
> <stubear> hi Nate, bye Guy
> <saffertan> I got a few minutes between meetings so I decided to join the
discussion for a while
> <debro> hey, am i the youngest on the list?
> <saffertan> what's been happening?
> <debro> nothing productive yet :P
> <debro> list=team ;)
> <saffertan> great !
> <debro> so.. i'll start to shoot some words, and you judge them
> <stubear> everyone was about to tell the group what they think the message
the name should say about OBOS
> <debro> uhmm ok, i'll go there first
> <stubear> Sionce you were late Natem you can start ;)
> <saffertan> okay ... this is what I think the name should symbolize
> <saffertan> stability, speed, power,
> <saffertan> but more so ....
> <saffertan> modern, unrestricted, maybe even a new life
> <saffertan> or a new beginning ... the dawn of a new computer era in which
open source dominates :-)
> <stubear> You had me until the OSS reference :)
> <saffertan> sorry .. it was an inside joke ... I'm known as the open
source fanatic around my friends and classmates ...
> <stubear> ah
> <saffertan> it should also suggest a warm and pleasing (not hostile)
environment for work and/or play
> <debro> i'm not an open source fan, actually i almost don't like anything
open source
> <debro> but beos didn't felt open source
> <debro> and i hope obos doesnt
> <stubear> Androo, you want to enlighten us with your thoughts about the
message this project should send to the community?
> <saffertan> debro ... open source does not have to feel like what it feels
like today ... but that's another topic we can talk about later...
> <debro> yep
> <debro> Androo?
> <debro> Andrés? :P
> <stubear> I think Androo is lost in the dictionary :)
> <debro> yeah
> <debro> hehehe
> <stubear> well, I like the concept of new and community (warm/pleasing)
but I woule liken this idea more towards the core of everything the
community does..
> <saffertan> can you explain?
> <stubear> OBOS is sort of the heart of the entire system...the mass of
stars at the center of a galaxy...the core of the earth
> <debro> magma ? ;)
> <stubear> It is what gives the community life to work and play
> <saffertan> we could name it BeLife :-)
> <saffertan> hehe
> <debro> Believe
> <debro> should i speak my mind?
> <saffertan> how about something along the lines of water ....
> <stubear> I was thinking more along the lines of Oxygen
> <debro> [Androo] seems to be sleeping over the dic... :P
> <saffertan> we all need water to live on and stuff like that ... yeah,
speak you mind
> <debro> oxygen, that's nice
> <debro> is something you need to live
> <debro> nice
> <saffertan> yeah ... i like that better
> <stubear> Aqua's been done by the way ;)
> <debro> yeah
> <saffertan> ....yeah, I know
> <debro> here's what i think about obos
> <debro> OBOS: stable, fast, powerful, friendly, feels like home, human,
comfortable, open, cute, functional, notwindowsatall, alsonotlinux,
notevenmac, etc.
> <saffertan> so how about O2, 03 ... h20
> <stubear> wow, the Sox are routing the Blue Jays :)
> <saffertan> so it is like a breath of fresh air ....
> <Androo> back, sorry
> <saffertan> (I wasn't referring to the Sox)...
> <stubear> I know...I got the game on in the background...Nomar came within
inches of hitting a homerun but the score quickly went from 6-1 to 9-1 :)
> <debro> baseball? ugh
> <saffertan> along with what debro said ... and stuart's oxygen ... what
about ....
> <debro> soccer is quite better :D
> <stubear> don't get me started Debro *smack*
> <saffertan> breathe ... breath ... air ... aire...
> <stubear> Anyway, back to the task at hand
> <debro> hehehehe
> * Androo will join Stuart in the smacking
> <debro> i got that on my list
> <saffertan> (i'll ahve to go with debro on soccer ... i grew up in
Ecuador)
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> <debro> - aeris: air in latin (ffvii anyone?)
> <stubear> foreigners, huh Androo? Baseball is FAR too sophisticated a
sport for them ;)
> <Androo> I think one thing that made "Be" so wonderful for the name of the
OS was that many developers used it in the name of their apps.
> <debro> nah i like baseball, but i think soccer is more exciting
> <debro> yeah
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> <stubear> You know what? I never cared for that all that much
> <debro> Aeris? don't you like it ? :B
> <saffertan> I agree with Androo ... we should pick something short or
abreviatable (is that a word?)
> <debro> i think it was a bit confusing, that be* software
> <Androo> stubear, I agree that there are too many "BeSomething" apps, but
it works to a degree.
> <saffertan> ... it at least spread community ... and that's really
important
> <debro> can i start showing off my latin words list?
> <Androo> sure
> <debro> - lumen: means "light" in latin
> <debro> - lux: again "Light" in latin (too much like tux?)
> <stubear> actually the first thing I thought of was Luxo Jr. :)
> <debro> pfft
> <debro> - lucis: yet again light <-- this one is nice
> <debro> we can make a girl mascott named lucy! (just kidding)
> <saffertan> I like the sound of lucis ...
> <Androo> "Masa" in Filipino means "for the masses"
> <saffertan> ...but unfortunately, I have another meeting now ...
> <debro> Masa in spanish means... uhmmm.... like the bread before cooking,
i don't know the word
> <saffertan> ....I've enjoyed and would love to chat again with everyone
... maybe we can set up another time before stuart turns in the list on the
21st
> <debro> we need to...
> <stubear> I'll try to set something up fopr Thursday
> <debro> friday? not good?
> <debro> hehe
> <stubear> I think these IRC chats have been helpful...agree/disagree?
> <saffertan> ...well, thursday doesn't work so well (same schedule ...)
> <debro> agree
> <saffertan> .... I think IRC has been really hepful ... we should do a LOT
more and with more people
> <debro> it's almost like a real meeting
> <saffertan> Friday afternoon works ... anyway ... give up an e-mail about
the time ... I have to run.
> <Androo> I'm not sure when I can meet this week. The testing team is
receiving a drop of code for a release on Thursday.
> <debro> see ya nate
> <saffertan> see you ...
> <Androo> night nate
> <debro> take care
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> <stubear> bye nate
> <debro> should i go on?
> <Androo> sure
> <debro> - ignis: fire in latin <-- i like this one A LOT
> <debro> - fuego: fire in spanish <-- pretty nice too
> <debro> - caelum: sky, heaven in latin <-- maybe too hard to pronounce for
an english speaker...
> <debro> to anyone actually
> <debro> - cielo: sky, heaven in spanish
> <debro> stop me if there's any word you like, ok?
> <debro> - comis: friendly in latin
> <debro> - domus: home in latin
> <debro> - miles: warrior in latin (not really comis :P)
> <debro> - optimus: one of the best, aristocrat, noble. latin
> <debro> - magis: more, to a greater extent, rather, for preference latin
> <debro> - hogar: home in spanish
> <debro> - mane: morning, early in the morning, early.latin
> <debro> - oriens: rising, the rising sun; east; morning latin <- nice
> <debro> - nox: night. latin
> <debro> - noctis: night. latin
> <debro> - cras: (adv.) tomorrow, on the morrow.
> <debro> - sum: to be, exist (just like Be, but in latin :P)
> <debro> - ser: to be, exist. now in spanish
> <debro> - fenestra: window. latin (LOL :D)
> <debro> - gens: clan, race, nation, people, tribe. latin
> <debro> and that's it
> <debro> any nice word?
> <Androo> to be honest, none of them jump out at me
> <stubear> nothing smacked me across the head either
> <debro> yeah, if you read them on an english fashion, maybe they don't
sound that cool
> <debro> well... that was an idea, just a shot
> <debro> i have plenty of bullets to go on
> <debro> :D
> <stubear> I'm not sure using latin is such a great idea either. It seems
to have an air of pretentiosness to it
> <Androo> well, I think most latin words sound fantastic ... just none of
those seem to be right for an OS
> <debro> yup
> <debro> i tried to find words that meant something to the OS
> <debro> and some elemental
> <debro> and actually aqua and terra are latin words
> <debro> aeris, ignis, aqua and terra, the four elements
> <stubear> Hey, here's one for you...Betelgeuse :)
> <Androo> heh
> <debro> hehe
> <Androo> that's slightly copyrighted :P
> <stubear> It's the name of a star. who has the copyright?
> <debro> i actually don't know if i pronounce well "BeOS"
> <debro> we say like the same that "Bios"
> <debro> "Beatlejuice"?
> <Androo> Betelgeuse? I suppose you've never seen a Tim Burton movie.
> <stubear> That's Beetlejuice, not Betelgeuse
> <Androo> ah
> <debro> it sounds the same...
> [debro #obos-cdt:PING]
> <stubear> Besides, you can't copyright a movie title, youcan only
trademark it
> <debro> what's the difference?
> <stubear> however, betelgeuse.com is already taken by some design
development company
> <stubear> oops...design company
> <debro> stars... galaxies... the space...
> <debro> orion
> <debro> io
> <debro> europa
> <debro> phobos
> <debro> PhobOS :P
> <Androo> Ion
> <debro> UHM!!
> <debro> IDEA!
> <Androo> yes?
> <stubear> I think IDEA was his idea
> <debro> what about Phoenix? i know it's used and reused, but it reflects
what we are doing...
> <debro> we are coming back from our ashes
> <debro> Fenix
> <debro> wich is the spanish word for phoenix
> <stubear> I don't like the negative connotations that has...I think a new
beginnign is almost better than reminding people that BeOS was once a dead
idea
> <Androo> I'd like to stay away from the *nix sord
> <Androo> sord = word
> <debro> uhm good point
> <Androo> BeOS is NOT a *nix
> <stubear> it's POSIX though, right?
> <debro> Fenics? :P
> <Androo> It has a POSIX layer, an incomplete one at that
> <debro> what about greek alphabet?
> <debro> too much like a fraternity, isn't it?
> <Androo> definately
> <debro> elvish words?
> <stubear> well, I think we're beginning to run in circles again...There
are some great ideas in here. Can someone save the session (Besirc
apparently can't or the feature doesn't work) then e-mail it to me?
> <Androo> session saved
> <stubear> I'll draw up another list and post it to the mailing list to see
what kind of a response it generates
> <debro> this script i'm using logs everything automatically
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> <Androo> stubear@xxxxxxxxx?
> <stubear> yep
> <Androo> done
> <debro> you should try this script stuart
> <stubear> thanks
> <debro> it solves a lot of irc issues
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> <stubear> send it to me and I'll give it a shot
> <debro> what about Pegasus?
> <debro> :P
> <debro> i'm going random again
> <debro> http://www.ircap.com/en/index.html
> <Androo> I think out of all the ideas we've come up with, Jaffa is my
personal favorite.
> <stubear> Mine too. It has a nice ring to it, rolls off the tongue rather
nicely, is a nice jab at Apple AND it connects with its roots as an
alternative to MacOS
> <debro> well as i said, it has a negative impact when reading it in
spanish
> <stubear> and that would be?
> <debro> it sounds like "chafa"
> <stubear> ???
> <debro> wich is a mexican expresion for "bad" "poor"
> <Androo> Wouldn't "java" sound like "chafa" in Spanish?
> <stubear> by the way, who asked me what the problem with the starfsh
metaphor and the japanese was?
> <debro> noup
> <debro> not me
> <Androo> I think we discussed it a while back, Stuart.
> <stubear> Apparently japanses children are taught at an early age to think
of starfish much like we think of slugs; slimy and gross
> <Androo> ah
> <stubear> I'm not convinced that it's such a bad metaphor after hearing
that
> <stubear> I doubt the japanese would consider OBOS slimy and gross were it
named starfish
> <debro> besides the nice sound of the word, what's the point of Jaffa, and
it's connection with an OS?
> <stubear> Jaffa is an Orange. It is similar to Apple and MacOS. Mcintosh
(macintosh) is a variety of apple
> <debro> then we name it GrandSmith! :P
> <stubear> BeOS was intended to be the base of what would later become
MacOS X but Steve Jobs killed that prospect when he brought NeXT OS withhim
on his return to the CEO hot seat
> <stubear> That would be granny smith
> <debro> i'm out of ideas...
> <debro> i like Evolved
> <debro> Evolved Operating System
> <debro> :P
> <stubear> Ok, androo, could you save the session after we all sign off
then send it to me?
> <Androo> sure
> <stubear> I suggest we close this session for tonight. There really have
been some good ideas here but we need to distance ourselves from them for a
while
> <stubear> I'll see if I can't setup at least one more IRC session before I
pass a list along to Michael
> <stubear> With that I'm going to sign off.
> <debro> yeah me too
> <debro> hey answer this
> <debro> am i the youngest one on the team?
> <stubear> I got a new toy today to play with....Photoshop 7 :)
> <stubear> I haven't had a chance to tinker with the new features yet
> <debro> oh cool
> <Androo> stuart, my copy's on its way
> <debro> i'm 19... am i or not?
> <debro> :P
> <Androo> going to save this chat, I think we're through ... night folks
> <debro> s
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