[guispeak] Re: Fw: online internet learning session (fwd)
- From: "Will Pearson" <will-pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 20:14:41 -0000
Dave;
I agree. Blindness is just one single attribute of an individual, and other
factors need to be taken into account. Accessibility, as a measure of
whether someone can access something, perform and interaction, etc., can be
equally applied to every being on this planet. So, by saying that some
people running older operating systems should not have their accessibility
needs taken into account, which is what I infered from Darrell's message, it
could be considered advocating for social exclusion of a particular grouping
of society. It might be fair, as people have the opportunity to gain better
technology, it might not, as they may not have this opportunity. It's
interesting that the reason Microsoft gave for extending the limited support
on 9x, was that people in the small user and developing world markets needed
additional time to aquire improved technology. So, Microsoft consider that
not everyone currently has the means to aquire technology above that which
they currently have.
Will
----- Original Message -----
From: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 7:38 PM
Subject: [guispeak] Re: Fw: online internet learning session (fwd)
> It is a fact that 70 percent of blind people are unemployed or at least
> under employed so Accessibility includes a multiplicity of things in this
> instance, such as:
> Can I access it with my ancient computer? Can I aford to get on the
> internet to access it? Can I access it without a sound card and get
benefit
> out of it? I'm afraid that w eneed to think hard when we say that
something
> is accessible. Saying that asking too much is offputting is doging the
> issue. There are degrees of accessibility so if you announce something,
it
> is best o say that there is this thang a happenin' and if ya wanna partake
> of it, ya gotta be able to drive a cadelak.
>
> Johnnie Apple Seed
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 2:26 PM
> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Fw: online internet learning session (fwd)
>
>
> Hi Will,
>
> But that's simply a matter of meeting the application's system
requirements.
> Certainly, from a blindness or even a disabilities point of view, this has
> nothing to do with the application's accessibility. All that concerns me
> is, well, can I use the application as a person with a disability, so long
> as I otherwise can meet the mainstream system requirements? By bringing
in
> other things that aren't directly relevant to accessibility for users with
> disabilities, we run the risk of turning mainstream developers off our
pleas
> for greater accessibility for our needs. Let's only ask for what's
> absolutely required.
>
> Besides, Windows 95 is very old now... Time for folks to upgrade.
>
>
>
> Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications!
> Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator!
> A+, CCNA, Network+!
> Check out high quality telecommunications services at http://ld.net/?nu7i
> All the best to coalition forces carrying out Operation Iraqi Freedom!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Will Pearson" <will-pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 12:16 PM
> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Fw: online internet learning session (fwd)
>
>
> > Hi;
> >
> > It is an accessibility issue in the pure sense of accessibility.
> > Accessibility is a measure of whether someone can do something, and this
> > regards whether the application in question can be accessed by those
> > running
> > operating systems that the application did not target during it's SDLC.
> >
> > Will
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 7:09 PM
> > Subject: [guispeak] Re: Fw: online internet learning session (fwd)
> >
> >
> >> Hi David,
> >>
> >> Probably not, but that is an OS compatibility issue, not one of
> >> accessibility. We need to keep these issues well separated.
> >>
> >> Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications!
> >> Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator!
> >> A+, CCNA, Network+!
> >> Check out high quality telecommunications services at
http://ld.net/?nu7i
> >> All the best to coalition forces carrying out Operation Iraqi Freedom!
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 11:25 AM
> >> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Fw: online internet learning session (fwd)
> >>
> >>
> >> > can I use windows.95?
> >> >
> >> > Johnnie Apple Seed
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 1:19 PM
> >> > Subject: [guispeak] Re: Fw: online internet learning session (fwd)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Hi David,
> >> >
> >> > Looks reasonably accessible. What's wrong with it?
> >> >
> >> > Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications!
> >> > Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator!
> >> > A+, CCNA, Network+!
> >> > Check out high quality telecommunications services at
> > http://ld.net/?nu7i
> >> > All the best to coalition forces carrying out Operation Iraqi
Freedom!
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 6:59 AM
> >> > Subject: [guispeak] Re: Fw: online internet learning session (fwd)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> too bad it's not accessible to most users.
> >> >>
> >> >> Johnnie Apple Seed
> >> >>
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: "Andy Baracco" <wq6r@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> Cc: <whoweare@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <acb-l@xxxxxxx>;
> > <ccb-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 2:14 AM
> >> >> Subject: [guispeak] Fw: online internet learning session (fwd)
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
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> >> >>>From: Lynn Evans <evans-lynn@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>>To: VICUG-L@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >>>Subject: Fw: online internet learning session
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