[guispeak] Re: Fw: online internet learning session (fwd)
- From: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 16:22:42 -0500
so we agree then, if something is not useable on windows.95 it is not
accessible since so many people cannot upgrade the os.
Johnnie Apple Seed
----- Original Message -----
From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 3:23 PM
Subject: [guispeak] Re: Fw: online internet learning session (fwd)
Hi Will,
While I certainly support the increase of compatibility to open-source
operating platforms like Linux, I'm not so worried about simple issues of
compatibility. Just upgrade the OS. It is a matter of understanding
economics and resource limitations. I'd just rather see the focus on
accessibility for people with disabilities.
Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications!
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Will Pearson" <will-pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 1:14 PM
Subject: [guispeak] Re: Fw: online internet learning session (fwd)
> Dave;
>
> I agree. Blindness is just one single attribute of an individual, and
> other
> factors need to be taken into account. Accessibility, as a measure of
> whether someone can access something, perform and interaction, etc., can
> be
> equally applied to every being on this planet. So, by saying that some
> people running older operating systems should not have their accessibility
> needs taken into account, which is what I infered from Darrell's message,
> it
> could be considered advocating for social exclusion of a particular
> grouping
> of society. It might be fair, as people have the opportunity to gain
> better
> technology, it might not, as they may not have this opportunity. It's
> interesting that the reason Microsoft gave for extending the limited
> support
> on 9x, was that people in the small user and developing world markets
> needed
> additional time to aquire improved technology. So, Microsoft consider
> that
> not everyone currently has the means to aquire technology above that which
> they currently have.
>
> Will
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 7:38 PM
> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Fw: online internet learning session (fwd)
>
>
>> It is a fact that 70 percent of blind people are unemployed or at least
>> under employed so Accessibility includes a multiplicity of things in this
>> instance, such as:
>> Can I access it with my ancient computer? Can I aford to get on the
>> internet to access it? Can I access it without a sound card and get
> benefit
>> out of it? I'm afraid that w eneed to think hard when we say that
> something
>> is accessible. Saying that asking too much is offputting is doging the
>> issue. There are degrees of accessibility so if you announce something,
> it
>> is best o say that there is this thang a happenin' and if ya wanna
>> partake
>> of it, ya gotta be able to drive a cadelak.
>>
>> Johnnie Apple Seed
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 2:26 PM
>> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Fw: online internet learning session (fwd)
>>
>>
>> Hi Will,
>>
>> But that's simply a matter of meeting the application's system
> requirements.
>> Certainly, from a blindness or even a disabilities point of view, this
>> has
>> nothing to do with the application's accessibility. All that concerns me
>> is, well, can I use the application as a person with a disability, so
>> long
>> as I otherwise can meet the mainstream system requirements? By bringing
> in
>> other things that aren't directly relevant to accessibility for users
>> with
>> disabilities, we run the risk of turning mainstream developers off our
> pleas
>> for greater accessibility for our needs. Let's only ask for what's
>> absolutely required.
>>
>> Besides, Windows 95 is very old now... Time for folks to upgrade.
>>
>>
>>
>> Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications!
>> Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator!
>> A+, CCNA, Network+!
>> Check out high quality telecommunications services at http://ld.net/?nu7i
>> All the best to coalition forces carrying out Operation Iraqi Freedom!
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Will Pearson" <will-pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 12:16 PM
>> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Fw: online internet learning session (fwd)
>>
>>
>> > Hi;
>> >
>> > It is an accessibility issue in the pure sense of accessibility.
>> > Accessibility is a measure of whether someone can do something, and
>> > this
>> > regards whether the application in question can be accessed by those
>> > running
>> > operating systems that the application did not target during it's SDLC.
>> >
>> > Will
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> > To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 7:09 PM
>> > Subject: [guispeak] Re: Fw: online internet learning session (fwd)
>> >
>> >
>> >> Hi David,
>> >>
>> >> Probably not, but that is an OS compatibility issue, not one of
>> >> accessibility. We need to keep these issues well separated.
>> >>
>> >> Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications!
>> >> Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator!
>> >> A+, CCNA, Network+!
>> >> Check out high quality telecommunications services at
> http://ld.net/?nu7i
>> >> All the best to coalition forces carrying out Operation Iraqi Freedom!
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 11:25 AM
>> >> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Fw: online internet learning session (fwd)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > can I use windows.95?
>> >> >
>> >> > Johnnie Apple Seed
>> >> >
>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> > To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> > Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 1:19 PM
>> >> > Subject: [guispeak] Re: Fw: online internet learning session (fwd)
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Hi David,
>> >> >
>> >> > Looks reasonably accessible. What's wrong with it?
>> >> >
>> >> > Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications!
>> >> > Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator!
>> >> > A+, CCNA, Network+!
>> >> > Check out high quality telecommunications services at
>> > http://ld.net/?nu7i
>> >> > All the best to coalition forces carrying out Operation Iraqi
> Freedom!
>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > From: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> > To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> > Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 6:59 AM
>> >> > Subject: [guispeak] Re: Fw: online internet learning session (fwd)
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> too bad it's not accessible to most users.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Johnnie Apple Seed
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> From: "Andy Baracco" <wq6r@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >> Cc: <whoweare@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <acb-l@xxxxxxx>;
>> > <ccb-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 2:14 AM
>> >> >> Subject: [guispeak] Fw: online internet learning session (fwd)
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
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>> >> >>>To: VICUG-L@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> >>>Subject: Fw: online internet learning session
>> >> >>>
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