So it's the script and set file writers that need to access the hooks, not necessarily the screen reader developers. Anyway, what I'm saying is that a person independent of the screen reader development companies can put in the interface. Am I correct? I only know about jaws and have never used more/less programmed set files, for WindowEyes. And what about the other screen readers, like Supernova and Hal? Take care! --le ----- Original Message ----- From: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 1:53 PM Subject: [guispeak] Re: Firefox 1.0 > Hooks to use msaa are apploication specific. > > Johnnie Apple Seed > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Laura Eaves" <leaves1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 1:38 PM > Subject: [guispeak] Re: Firefox 1.0 > > > But that's the point Dave -- Jaws and Window Eyes have already put hooks > in > to handle MSAA, so if it is implemented correctly in firefox it should > work. > But if someone has already put it in Mozilla, perhaps it is close to being > accessible. > I'm going to download it and try it. I'm always open to alternatives... > Take care and again, thanks for the info. > --le > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 1:34 PM > Subject: [guispeak] Re: Firefox 1.0 > > >> LE and all, >> Msaa is utillized in the mozilla family but I'm not certain that it is >> available in firefox 1.0 Even if msaa is used, this does not provide >> automatic accessibility as the screen reader vendors must also do their >> side >> of it. >> >> Johnnie Apple Seed >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Laura Eaves" <leaves1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 1:27 PM >> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Firefox 1.0 >> >> >> Hi -- This is very interesting -- I know a few people using firefox and >> love >> it, but none are visually impaired. >> However, in order to work effectively with jaws or WindowEyes, it has to >> use >> MSAA to pass info to the screen reader. The MSAA interface is supported >> in >> libraries for the various programming languages on vs.net (the Microsoft >> programming environment platform), but I don't know how to use it. >> It would be an interesting project to add MSAA hooks to firefox and >> distribute the source. >> Now as for linux versions, I am not familiar with how screen readers >> handle >> browsing there. >> I used to do hacks and bug fixes on lynx a long time ago, but quit and >> moved >> to windows when I foundout how much better screen readers had become. >> Now >> I >> haven't been on unix/linux since I lost the rest of my vision, but know >> many >> blind persons who work heavily there with screen readers that have also >> come >> a long way. >> So when I have enough money to get a linux box I may get one -- maybe >> next >> Feb or March. >> >> Anyway, I once purchased a program called "secure IE" -- a web browser >> put >> out by McAfee that is supposed to guard against all the malicious hacks >> some >> people put on web pages. But it was not accessible at all, and I went >> back >> to IE. So MSAA is important. >> But the proof is in the pudding. >> If anyone does try the windows version of firefox with a screen please >> post >> and let me know what you find -- and I'll do the same! >> Take care! >> --le >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bundy, Keith" <Keith.Bundy@xxxxxxx> >> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <vicug-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 1:00 PM >> Subject: [guispeak] Firefox 1.0 >> >> >>> Below is an article that appeared a few days ago. I am wondering if >>> anyone has already tried this program with a screen reader. >>> >>> >>> Free Firefox 1.0 ready to battle MSIE >>> >>> By Joseph Menn >>> Los Angeles Times >>> >>> published: 11/9/2004 >>> >>> Early editions of browser have lured 10 million former Microsoft users >>> >>> Get ready for Browser Wars: The Sequel. >>> >>> Six years after Microsoft Corp.'s Internet Explorer defeated Netscape >>> Navigator in the signature fight of the online age, a direct descendant >>> of the pioneering >>> Web browser is exacting a small measure of revenge. >>> >>> The nonprofit Mozilla Foundation today will release Firefox 1.0, a free >>> browser based on Netscape's technology but improved through the years by >>> thousands >>> of volunteer programmers. 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It was released in a preview >>> version in >>> February and has been downloaded from www.mozilla.org as frequently as >>> 250,000 times a day. >>> >>> Keith Bundy >>> Director of Student Development >>> Dakota State University >>> 605-256-5121 >>> Email: Keith.Bundy@xxxxxxx >>> http://departments.dsu.edu/bundyk >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > >