Some times when your in a vehicle that wouldn't be good, or if it's a pretty straight forward automatic root, or if you know it really well. Usually force sequential is good for neighborhoods that have lots of streets that lope and criss cross.
-----Original Message----- From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 9:39 PM To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Creating Useful Routes
When following a rout, why would one not want force sequential mode to be on?
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael May" <mikemay@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 5:20 PM
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Creating Useful Routes
You cannot copy and paste routes to each other. You can only copy and paste points within a route.
If a route has points in close proximity, you should turn on the Force Sequential mode so the subsequent waypoints do not triggerFirst,
Thanks. These comments are helpful, and I, too, hope others will chime in.
Just to clarify, I wasn't expecting the GPS to help identify where sidewalks are available. I was bringing this up in two regards.severalhow do people handle creating a route in which they need to makestreetsturns in close proximity as in the case of needing to cross bothturnwhen one comes to an intersection and then perhaps needing to make awantsonce on the correct corner in order to be heading down the block onecreate anto travel down next. Second, I was asking about whether one cancanalternate route to one that would be provided if one asked the GPS to automatically create a route and then if that manually created routecreatedbe appended to other routes so that one can follow the manuallyroute and at the end travel (depending on the route one has open) to a
variety of different locations that are possible after getting to that
youpoint. Don't know if that makes things any clearer or not.
-----Original Message----- From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 7:50 PM To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Creating Useful Routes
Your note is a long one. I will offer some of my opinions and we can hope for help from more experienced users too. Basically you asked some routing questions, and some about the accuracy of the GPS.
A point of interest does not need to be part of a rout so if you want the dormitory that you may never visit to be a POI so if you arrive at it,suchwill know you are not where you want to be, you could designate it asalways bewithout it not being part of any rout. If you do that you wouldfuture.able to find it and create a rout to it if you wanted to in theIn the case of diagonal sidewalks though, you might try switching your
andheading to clock mode so you can see the angle you are traveling atavailableyou may never find that residence hall you don't wish to visit.
I am not totally sold on the absolute accuracy of any GPS at this point so I may be corrected on this but I don't think you could create a rout accurate enough to tell you when to cross a street because ofthatsidewalk. I believe that GPS will help you find the corner you are looking for and after that, it's up to you to make the best decisionsshouldmeet your needs.
I believe that the GPS is more than a gadget. For example, you should never get lost again, but if you should find yourself off rout, yoube able to find your way back independently, which is a heck of a good
street,thing. I don't think the GPS is accurate in distances to the nextyoubut it will always tell you what the next street is going to be beforemaps.reach it. That is why I don't believe that WAAS technology is very helpful to us. I don't think it's as much GPS accuracy as it is theallFor example, I could walk up and down the street in front of my houseisn'tday long and it will never give the correct street number, it justnothere. However, once I created a POI called home, it fines home withproblem, but if I check the GPS to see what address I am near, it will
partstill not be correct unless I name the street number as my home, asaskof the POI information, then it will give me that information unless Imaps,specifically what address I am near, then GPS will default to thetoand it will not be correct, but I will be home, which is where I wantit'sbe.
I believe, for example, that if one marks their car as a POI so they can find it in a large [parking lot when they are finished shopping thatlookingpossible that they could walk around within 30 feet of their car,wouldfor it for a while. However, if one forgot where they parked GPStheget them headed in the right direction and within 30 feet or less ofcertainly becar, so if one has one of those remote horn buttons you wouldcampusclose enough to find the car by sound.
Hope this helps some, and I too look forward to comments from others.
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----- Original Message ----- From: <mailto:jlschroeder@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>Jana Schroeder To: <mailto:gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 2:05 PM Subject: [gps-talkusers] Creating Useful Routes
I am new to GPS and am just beginning the process of learning how to create and edit routes. i work at a small college on a residentialthatwith many meandering sidewalks and thrange intersections. It seemssidewalkswhenever a new building has been constructed, they have addedbeenbut never taken any existing sidewalks out. plus, I have seriouslybytold that decisions about where to place new sidewalks have been madegrass.observing the most common paths taken by people who cut through theaIn any case, there are a number of tricky spots, and if one gets ontoimaginedifferent sidewalk than the one intended, a person can end up in a completely different location on campus than expected. So you canpoints ofthat I am excited about the prospect of creating many routes andgointerest to help me more reliably navigate around campus.
I already have several questions that I imagine some of you more experienced folks can help with.
First, I am wondering what strategies people have used to create routes and points of interest. By that I am wondering if people generallybackaround an area and create a bunch of points of interest and then goorand record routes taking them from place to place that they need to goofdo they do it the other way around or do they just record the pointswasinterest as they go. Here's an example to illustrate what I mean. Iacreating a route today from the building I work in to my home which isthefew blocks from campus. There is one place where two sidewalks split apart. If you accidentally stay on the right fork instead of takingthisleft, you will end up at a residence hall. I don't normally visitaccidentallyresidence hall so probably don't need a route to it, but it would be helpful to have it designated as a point of interest so if Iminuteapproach it I will be alerted as to where I am. I thought for arealizedabout walking over to the dorm today to record the POI but thenrecordingthat this little detour would then be part of the route I wasand wondered if that meant that if I didn't take the same detour every
time I was in the route I'd be told I was off course. So it would be helpful to know how others have approached this.
I also wonder how people have designated turns where you need to cross
get toa street in one direction and then cross the other street in order tooputthe corner you want to proceed on. I have read that you don't want trighttwo waypoints too close together. So what do I do if I come to an intersection and want to turn left, cross the street and then turnareand cross again and then turn left to proceed down the block. Therenot asome intersections where i only cross in a certain way because it'ssomeperfect intersection and/or there are not sidewalks on all corners orthaother feature that makes it a better idea to cross in a certain wayifnin another. How do people handle this when creating a route? Also,thethe right/left/straight designation is off, is this what will triggerwalkGPS to say that you are off your route or is that based on how youwhen you are recording the route regardless of what you specified when
feetasked straight, left or right?
Finally, I have noticed that even when the GPS says it is getting good satellite reception i am being told that the next intersection is 198laterahead when, by my estimation, it is more like 50 feet ahead. It's my understanding that by changing if the announcement is made sooner orbethis is based on the GPS's guess about how far you are from an intersection or POI, but if the accuracy of the distance from the intersection or POI seems to be considerably off, is there anything toordone about that? Do some cities have information that is just 'off"onlywhat?
In terms of creating a route, do I need to specify a destination and, if so, should I do that before starting out or once I get there or do Ime?do that if I want to have the program create an automatic route forwork
is there any way besides traveling the route over and over to make a certain sequence part of multiple routes? In my situation, I walk tofromvia a different route than that generated if I do an automatic routeofmy house to the campus because there are not sidewalks on many partsIstreets around here so i have to take that into consideration. Thus,itwant to have routes from my house to a number of different points on campus. Can I take the part of the route that is common to all and somehow drop it into other routes? If it involves route editing, I'd appreciate some specific instructions on how people have done this--ifinvolvedis typically done sitting down in one place or if you do it as you'r ewalking on the route or if that depends, then what factors areanin deciding what method to use?
I apologize for so many different questions in one message. I hope that folks can help with each of these areas as I want this to be more thantointeresting gadget which is what it will be if I can't figure out howcreate quality routes.
Thanks, Jana Schroeder
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