[gps-talkusers] Re: GPS type

  • From: "Claude Everett" <claudeeverett@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 08:34:28 -0700

Hi,
I thought, I saw you on this list.
I'm using the Bluetooth that comes with the GPS from Sendero.
Hope you're not affected to much from the hurricane, Bell South takes up a lot of territory.
Claude
claudeeverett@xxxxxxxxxxx link
----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarai" <bucc7465@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 8:10 PM
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Creating Useful Routes



Some times when your in a vehicle that wouldn't be good, or if it's a
pretty straight forward  automatic root, or if you know it really well.
Usually force sequential is good for neighborhoods that have lots of
streets that lope and criss cross.

-----Original Message-----
From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 9:39 PM
To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Creating Useful Routes


When following a rout, why would one not want force sequential mode to be on?

Dave

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael May" <mikemay@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 5:20 PM
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Creating Useful Routes



Jana,

You cannot copy and paste routes to each other. You can only copy and
paste points within a route.

If a route has points in close proximity, you should turn on the Force
Sequential mode so the subsequent waypoints do not trigger
prematurealy.

Mike

Hi Dave,

Thanks.  These comments are helpful, and I, too, hope others will
chime
in.

Just to clarify, I wasn't expecting the GPS to help identify where
sidewalks are available.  I was bringing this up in two regards.
First,
how do people handle creating a route in which they need to make
several
turns in close proximity as in the case of needing to cross both
streets
when one comes to an intersection and then perhaps needing to make a
turn
once on the correct corner in order to be heading down the block one
wants
to travel down next. Second, I was asking about whether one can
create an
alternate route to one that would be provided if one asked the GPS to
automatically create a route and then if that manually created route
can
be appended to other routes so that one can follow the manually
created
route and at the end travel (depending on the route one has open) to a

variety of different locations that are possible after getting to that

point.  Don't know if that makes things any clearer or not.

Thanks,
Jana

-----Original Message-----
From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 7:50 PM
To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Creating Useful Routes

Hi Jana,

Your note is a long one.  I will offer some of my opinions and we can
hope
for help from more experienced users too.  Basically you asked some
routing questions, and some about the accuracy of the GPS.

A point of interest does not need to be part of a rout so if you want
the
dormitory that you may never visit to be a POI so if you arrive at it,
you
will know you are not where you want to be, you could designate it as
such
without it not being part of any rout. If you do that you would
always be
able to find it and create a rout to it if you wanted to in the
future.
In the case of diagonal sidewalks though, you might try switching your

heading to clock mode so you can see the angle you are traveling at
and
you may never find that residence hall you don't wish to visit.

I am not totally sold on the absolute accuracy of any GPS at this
point so
I may be corrected on this but I don't think you could create a rout
accurate enough to tell you when to cross a street because of
available
sidewalk.  I believe that GPS will help you find the corner you are
looking for and after that, it's up to you to make the best decisions
that
meet your needs.

I believe that the GPS is more than a gadget.  For example, you should
never get lost again, but if you should find yourself off rout, you
should
be able to find your way back independently, which is a heck of a good

thing. I don't think the GPS is accurate in distances to the next
street,
but it will always tell you what the next street is going to be before
you
reach it.  That is why I don't believe that WAAS technology is very
helpful to us.  I don't think it's as much GPS accuracy as it is the
maps.
For example, I could walk up and down the street in front of my house
all
day long and it will never give the correct street number, it just
isn't
there. However, once I created a POI called home, it fines home with
no
problem, but if I check the GPS to see what address I am near, it will

still not be correct unless I name the street number as my home, as
part
of the POI information, then it will give me that information unless I
ask
specifically what address I am near, then GPS will default to the
maps,
and it will not be correct, but I will be home, which is where I want
to
be.

I believe, for example, that if one marks their car as a POI so they
can
find it in a large [parking lot when they are finished shopping that
it's
possible that they could walk around within 30 feet of their car,
looking
for it for a while. However, if one forgot where they parked GPS
would
get them headed in the right direction and within 30 feet or less of
the
car, so if one has one of those remote horn buttons you would
certainly be
close enough to find the car by sound.

Hope this helps some, and I too look forward to comments from others.

Dave

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----- Original Message ----- From: <mailto:jlschroeder@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>Jana Schroeder To: <mailto:gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 2:05 PM Subject: [gps-talkusers] Creating Useful Routes

Hello,

I am new to GPS and am just beginning the process of learning how to
create and edit routes.  i work at a small college on a residential
campus
with many meandering sidewalks and thrange intersections. It seems
that
whenever a new building has been constructed, they have added
sidewalks
but never taken any existing sidewalks out. plus, I have seriously
been
told that decisions about where to place new sidewalks have been made
by
observing the most common paths taken by people who cut through the
grass.
In any case, there are a number of tricky spots, and if one gets onto
a
different sidewalk than the one intended, a person can end up in a
completely different location on campus than expected.  So you can
imagine
that I am excited about the prospect of creating many routes and
points of
interest to help me more reliably navigate around campus.

I already have several questions that I imagine some of you more
experienced folks can help with.

First, I am wondering what strategies people have used to create
routes
and points of interest.  By that  I am wondering if people generally
go
around an area and create a bunch of points of interest and then go
back
and record routes taking them from place to place that they need to go
or
do they do it the other way around or do they just record the points
of
interest as they go. Here's an example to illustrate what I mean. I
was
creating a route today from the building I work in to my home which is
a
few blocks from campus.  There is one place where two sidewalks split
apart.  If you accidentally stay on the right fork instead of taking
the
left, you will end up at a residence hall. I don't normally visit
this
residence hall so probably don't need a route to it, but it would be
helpful to have it designated as a point of interest so if I
accidentally
approach it I will be alerted as to where I am. I thought for a
minute
about walking over to the dorm today to record the POI but then
realized
that this little detour would then be part of the route I was
recording
and wondered if that meant that if I didn't take the same detour every

time I was in the route I'd be told I was off course.  So it would be
helpful to know how others have approached this.

I also wonder how people have designated turns where you need to cross

a
street in one direction and then cross the other street in order to
get to
the corner you want to proceed on. I have read that you don't want t
oput
two waypoints too close together.  So what do I do if I come to an
intersection and want to turn left, cross the street and then turn
right
and cross again and then turn left to proceed down the block. There
are
some intersections where i only cross in a certain way because it's
not a
perfect intersection and/or there are not sidewalks on all corners or
some
other feature that makes it a better idea to cross in a certain way
tha
nin another. How do people handle this when creating a route? Also,
if
the right/left/straight designation is off, is this what will trigger
the
GPS to say that you are off your route or is that based on how you
walk
when you are recording the route regardless of what you specified when

asked straight, left or right?

Finally, I have noticed that even when the GPS says it is getting good
satellite reception i am being told that the next intersection is 198
feet
ahead when, by my estimation, it is more like 50 feet ahead.  It's my
understanding that by changing if the announcement is made sooner or
later
this is based on the GPS's guess about how far you are from an
intersection or POI, but if the accuracy of the distance from the
intersection or POI seems to be considerably off, is there anything to
be
done about that? Do some cities have information that is just 'off"
or
what?

In terms of creating a route, do I need to specify a destination and,
if
so, should I do that before starting out or once I get there or do I
only
do that if I want to have the program create an automatic route for
me?

is there any way besides traveling the route over and over to make a certain sequence part of multiple routes? In my situation, I walk to
work
via a different route than that generated if I do an automatic route
from
my house to the campus because there are not sidewalks on many parts
of
streets around here so i have to take that into consideration. Thus,
I
want to have routes from my house to a number of different points on
campus.  Can I take the part of the route that is common to all and
somehow drop it into other routes?  If it involves route editing, I'd
appreciate some specific instructions on how people have done this--if
it
is typically done sitting down in one place or if you do it as you'r
ewalking on the route or if that depends, then what factors are
involved
in deciding what method to use?

I apologize for so many different questions in one message.  I hope
that
folks can help with each of these areas as I want this to be more than
an
interesting gadget which is what it will be if I can't figure out how
to
create quality routes.

Thanks,
Jana Schroeder



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