Some times when your in a vehicle that wouldn't be good, or if it's a pretty straight forward automatic root, or if you know it really well. Usually force sequential is good for neighborhoods that have lots of streets that lope and criss cross. -----Original Message----- From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 9:39 PM To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Creating Useful Routes When following a rout, why would one not want force sequential mode to be on? Dave To read about the next Peace Seekers meeting click on the link below. http://www.ThePeaceSeekers.org/program/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael May" <mikemay@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 5:20 PM Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Creating Useful Routes > Jana, > > You cannot copy and paste routes to each other. You can only copy and > paste points within a route. > > If a route has points in close proximity, you should turn on the Force > Sequential mode so the subsequent waypoints do not trigger prematurealy. > > Mike > >>Hi Dave, >> >>Thanks. These comments are helpful, and I, too, hope others will >>chime >>in. >> >>Just to clarify, I wasn't expecting the GPS to help identify where >>sidewalks are available. I was bringing this up in two regards. First, >>how do people handle creating a route in which they need to make several >>turns in close proximity as in the case of needing to cross both streets >>when one comes to an intersection and then perhaps needing to make a turn >>once on the correct corner in order to be heading down the block one wants >>to travel down next. Second, I was asking about whether one can create an >>alternate route to one that would be provided if one asked the GPS to >>automatically create a route and then if that manually created route can >>be appended to other routes so that one can follow the manually created >>route and at the end travel (depending on the route one has open) to a >>variety of different locations that are possible after getting to that >>point. Don't know if that makes things any clearer or not. >> >>Thanks, >>Jana >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>[mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Dave >>Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 7:50 PM >>To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Creating Useful Routes >> >>Hi Jana, >> >>Your note is a long one. I will offer some of my opinions and we can >>hope >>for help from more experienced users too. Basically you asked some >>routing questions, and some about the accuracy of the GPS. >> >>A point of interest does not need to be part of a rout so if you want >>the >>dormitory that you may never visit to be a POI so if you arrive at it, you >>will know you are not where you want to be, you could designate it as such >>without it not being part of any rout. If you do that you would always be >>able to find it and create a rout to it if you wanted to in the future. >>In the case of diagonal sidewalks though, you might try switching your >>heading to clock mode so you can see the angle you are traveling at and >>you may never find that residence hall you don't wish to visit. >> >>I am not totally sold on the absolute accuracy of any GPS at this >>point so >>I may be corrected on this but I don't think you could create a rout >>accurate enough to tell you when to cross a street because of available >>sidewalk. I believe that GPS will help you find the corner you are >>looking for and after that, it's up to you to make the best decisions that >>meet your needs. >> >>I believe that the GPS is more than a gadget. For example, you should >>never get lost again, but if you should find yourself off rout, you should >>be able to find your way back independently, which is a heck of a good >>thing. I don't think the GPS is accurate in distances to the next street, >>but it will always tell you what the next street is going to be before you >>reach it. That is why I don't believe that WAAS technology is very >>helpful to us. I don't think it's as much GPS accuracy as it is the maps. >>For example, I could walk up and down the street in front of my house all >>day long and it will never give the correct street number, it just isn't >>there. However, once I created a POI called home, it fines home with no >>problem, but if I check the GPS to see what address I am near, it will >>still not be correct unless I name the street number as my home, as part >>of the POI information, then it will give me that information unless I ask >>specifically what address I am near, then GPS will default to the maps, >>and it will not be correct, but I will be home, which is where I want to >>be. >> >>I believe, for example, that if one marks their car as a POI so they >>can >>find it in a large [parking lot when they are finished shopping that it's >>possible that they could walk around within 30 feet of their car, looking >>for it for a while. However, if one forgot where they parked GPS would >>get them headed in the right direction and within 30 feet or less of the >>car, so if one has one of those remote horn buttons you would certainly be >>close enough to find the car by sound. >> >>Hope this helps some, and I too look forward to comments from others. >> >>Dave >> >>To read about the next Peace Seekers meeting click on the link below. >> >><http://www.ThePeaceSeekers.org/program/>http://www.ThePeaceSeekers.or >>g/program/ >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: <mailto:jlschroeder@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>Jana Schroeder >>To: <mailto:gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 2:05 PM >>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Creating Useful Routes >> >>Hello, >> >>I am new to GPS and am just beginning the process of learning how to >>create and edit routes. i work at a small college on a residential campus >>with many meandering sidewalks and thrange intersections. It seems that >>whenever a new building has been constructed, they have added sidewalks >>but never taken any existing sidewalks out. plus, I have seriously been >>told that decisions about where to place new sidewalks have been made by >>observing the most common paths taken by people who cut through the grass. >>In any case, there are a number of tricky spots, and if one gets onto a >>different sidewalk than the one intended, a person can end up in a >>completely different location on campus than expected. So you can imagine >>that I am excited about the prospect of creating many routes and points of >>interest to help me more reliably navigate around campus. >> >>I already have several questions that I imagine some of you more >>experienced folks can help with. >> >>First, I am wondering what strategies people have used to create >>routes >>and points of interest. By that I am wondering if people generally go >>around an area and create a bunch of points of interest and then go back >>and record routes taking them from place to place that they need to go or >>do they do it the other way around or do they just record the points of >>interest as they go. Here's an example to illustrate what I mean. I was >>creating a route today from the building I work in to my home which is a >>few blocks from campus. There is one place where two sidewalks split >>apart. If you accidentally stay on the right fork instead of taking the >>left, you will end up at a residence hall. I don't normally visit this >>residence hall so probably don't need a route to it, but it would be >>helpful to have it designated as a point of interest so if I accidentally >>approach it I will be alerted as to where I am. I thought for a minute >>about walking over to the dorm today to record the POI but then realized >>that this little detour would then be part of the route I was recording >>and wondered if that meant that if I didn't take the same detour every >>time I was in the route I'd be told I was off course. So it would be >>helpful to know how others have approached this. >> >>I also wonder how people have designated turns where you need to cross >>a >>street in one direction and then cross the other street in order to get to >>the corner you want to proceed on. I have read that you don't want t oput >>two waypoints too close together. So what do I do if I come to an >>intersection and want to turn left, cross the street and then turn right >>and cross again and then turn left to proceed down the block. There are >>some intersections where i only cross in a certain way because it's not a >>perfect intersection and/or there are not sidewalks on all corners or some >>other feature that makes it a better idea to cross in a certain way tha >>nin another. How do people handle this when creating a route? Also, if >>the right/left/straight designation is off, is this what will trigger the >>GPS to say that you are off your route or is that based on how you walk >>when you are recording the route regardless of what you specified when >>asked straight, left or right? >> >>Finally, I have noticed that even when the GPS says it is getting good >>satellite reception i am being told that the next intersection is 198 feet >>ahead when, by my estimation, it is more like 50 feet ahead. It's my >>understanding that by changing if the announcement is made sooner or later >>this is based on the GPS's guess about how far you are from an >>intersection or POI, but if the accuracy of the distance from the >>intersection or POI seems to be considerably off, is there anything to be >>done about that? Do some cities have information that is just 'off" or >>what? >> >>In terms of creating a route, do I need to specify a destination and, >>if >>so, should I do that before starting out or once I get there or do I only >>do that if I want to have the program create an automatic route for me? >> >>is there any way besides traveling the route over and over to make a >>certain sequence part of multiple routes? In my situation, I walk to work >>via a different route than that generated if I do an automatic route from >>my house to the campus because there are not sidewalks on many parts of >>streets around here so i have to take that into consideration. Thus, I >>want to have routes from my house to a number of different points on >>campus. Can I take the part of the route that is common to all and >>somehow drop it into other routes? If it involves route editing, I'd >>appreciate some specific instructions on how people have done this--if it >>is typically done sitting down in one place or if you do it as you'r >>ewalking on the route or if that depends, then what factors are involved >>in deciding what method to use? >> >>I apologize for so many different questions in one message. I hope >>that >>folks can help with each of these areas as I want this to be more than an >>interesting gadget which is what it will be if I can't figure out how to >>create quality routes. >> >>Thanks, >>Jana Schroeder >> > > > Michael G. 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