[gps-talkusers] Re: Creating Useful Routes

  • From: "Sarai" <bucc7465@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 22:10:04 -0500

Some times when your in a vehicle that wouldn't be good, or if it's a
pretty straight forward  automatic root, or if you know it really well.
Usually force sequential is good for neighborhoods that have lots of
streets that lope and criss cross.

-----Original Message-----
From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 9:39 PM
To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Creating Useful Routes


When following a rout, why would one not want force sequential mode to
be 
on?

Dave

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael May" <mikemay@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 5:20 PM
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Creating Useful Routes


> Jana,
>
> You cannot copy and paste routes to each other. You can only copy and
> paste points within a route.
>
> If a route has points in close proximity, you should turn on the Force
> Sequential mode so the subsequent waypoints do not trigger
prematurealy.
>
> Mike
>
>>Hi Dave,
>>
>>Thanks.  These comments are helpful, and I, too, hope others will 
>>chime
>>in.
>>
>>Just to clarify, I wasn't expecting the GPS to help identify where
>>sidewalks are available.  I was bringing this up in two regards.
First, 
>>how do people handle creating a route in which they need to make
several 
>>turns in close proximity as in the case of needing to cross both
streets 
>>when one comes to an intersection and then perhaps needing to make a
turn 
>>once on the correct corner in order to be heading down the block one
wants 
>>to travel down next.  Second, I was asking about whether one can
create an 
>>alternate route to one that would be provided if one asked the GPS to 
>>automatically create a route and then if that manually created route
can 
>>be appended to other routes so that one can follow the manually
created 
>>route and at the end travel (depending on the route one has open) to a

>>variety of different locations that are possible after getting to that

>>point.  Don't know if that makes things any clearer or not.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Jana
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>[mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Dave
>>Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 7:50 PM
>>To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Creating Useful Routes
>>
>>Hi Jana,
>>
>>Your note is a long one.  I will offer some of my opinions and we can 
>>hope
>>for help from more experienced users too.  Basically you asked some 
>>routing questions, and some about the accuracy of the GPS.
>>
>>A point of interest does not need to be part of a rout so if you want 
>>the
>>dormitory that you may never visit to be a POI so if you arrive at it,
you 
>>will know you are not where you want to be, you could designate it as
such 
>>without it not being part of any rout.  If you do that you would
always be 
>>able to find it and create a rout to it if you wanted to in the
future. 
>>In the case of diagonal sidewalks though, you might try switching your

>>heading to clock mode so you can see the angle you are traveling at
and 
>>you may never find that residence hall you don't wish to visit.
>>
>>I am not totally sold on the absolute accuracy of any GPS at this 
>>point so
>>I may be corrected on this but I don't think you could create a rout 
>>accurate enough to tell you when to cross a street because of
available 
>>sidewalk.  I believe that GPS will help you find the corner you are 
>>looking for and after that, it's up to you to make the best decisions
that 
>>meet your needs.
>>
>>I believe that the GPS is more than a gadget.  For example, you should
>>never get lost again, but if you should find yourself off rout, you
should 
>>be able to find your way back independently, which is a heck of a good

>>thing.  I don't think the GPS is accurate in distances to the next
street, 
>>but it will always tell you what the next street is going to be before
you 
>>reach it.  That is why I don't believe that WAAS technology is very 
>>helpful to us.  I don't think it's as much GPS accuracy as it is the
maps. 
>>For example, I could walk up and down the street in front of my house
all 
>>day long and it will never give the correct street number, it just
isn't 
>>there.  However, once I created a POI called home, it fines home with
no 
>>problem, but if I check the GPS to see what address I am near, it will

>>still not be correct unless I name the street number as my home, as
part 
>>of the POI information, then it will give me that information unless I
ask 
>>specifically what address I am near, then GPS will default to the
maps, 
>>and it will not be correct, but I will be home, which is where I want
to 
>>be.
>>
>>I believe, for example, that if one marks their car as a POI so they 
>>can
>>find it in a large [parking lot when they are finished shopping that
it's 
>>possible that they could walk around within 30 feet of their car,
looking 
>>for it for a while.  However, if one forgot where they parked GPS
would 
>>get them headed in the right direction and within 30 feet or less of
the 
>>car, so if one has one of those remote horn buttons you would
certainly be 
>>close enough to find the car by sound.
>>
>>Hope this helps some, and I too look forward to comments from others.
>>
>>Dave
>>
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>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: <mailto:jlschroeder@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>Jana Schroeder
>>To: <mailto:gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 2:05 PM
>>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Creating Useful Routes
>>
>>Hello,
>>
>>I am new to GPS and am just beginning the process of learning how to
>>create and edit routes.  i work at a small college on a residential
campus 
>>with many meandering sidewalks and thrange intersections.  It seems
that 
>>whenever a new building has been constructed, they have added
sidewalks 
>>but never taken any existing sidewalks out.  plus, I have seriously
been 
>>told that decisions about where to place new sidewalks have been made
by 
>>observing the most common paths taken by people who cut through the
grass. 
>>In any case, there are a number of tricky spots, and if one gets onto
a 
>>different sidewalk than the one intended, a person can end up in a 
>>completely different location on campus than expected.  So you can
imagine 
>>that I am excited about the prospect of creating many routes and
points of 
>>interest to help me more reliably navigate around campus.
>>
>>I already have several questions that I imagine some of you more
>>experienced folks can help with.
>>
>>First, I am wondering what strategies people have used to create 
>>routes
>>and points of interest.  By that  I am wondering if people generally
go 
>>around an area and create a bunch of points of interest and then go
back 
>>and record routes taking them from place to place that they need to go
or 
>>do they do it the other way around or do they just record the points
of 
>>interest as they go.  Here's an example to illustrate what I mean.  I
was 
>>creating a route today from the building I work in to my home which is
a 
>>few blocks from campus.  There is one place where two sidewalks split 
>>apart.  If you accidentally stay on the right fork instead of taking
the 
>>left, you will end up at a residence hall.  I don't normally visit
this 
>>residence hall so probably don't need a route to it, but it would be 
>>helpful to have it designated as a point of interest so if I
accidentally 
>>approach it I will be alerted as to where I am.  I thought for a
minute 
>>about walking over to the dorm today to record the POI but then
realized 
>>that this little detour would then be part of the route I was
recording 
>>and wondered if that meant that if I didn't take the same detour every

>>time I was in the route I'd be told I was off course.  So it would be 
>>helpful to know how others have approached this.
>>
>>I also wonder how people have designated turns where you need to cross

>>a
>>street in one direction and then cross the other street in order to
get to 
>>the corner you want to proceed on.  I have read that you don't want t
oput 
>>two waypoints too close together.  So what do I do if I come to an 
>>intersection and want to turn left, cross the street and then turn
right 
>>and cross again and then turn left to proceed down the block.  There
are 
>>some intersections where i only cross in a certain way because it's
not a 
>>perfect intersection and/or there are not sidewalks on all corners or
some 
>>other feature that makes it a better idea to cross in a certain way
tha 
>>nin another.  How do people handle this when creating a route?  Also,
if 
>>the right/left/straight designation is off, is this what will trigger
the 
>>GPS to say that you are off your route or is that based on how you
walk 
>>when you are recording the route regardless of what you specified when

>>asked straight, left or right?
>>
>>Finally, I have noticed that even when the GPS says it is getting good
>>satellite reception i am being told that the next intersection is 198
feet 
>>ahead when, by my estimation, it is more like 50 feet ahead.  It's my 
>>understanding that by changing if the announcement is made sooner or
later 
>>this is based on the GPS's guess about how far you are from an 
>>intersection or POI, but if the accuracy of the distance from the 
>>intersection or POI seems to be considerably off, is there anything to
be 
>>done about that?  Do some cities have information that is just 'off"
or 
>>what?
>>
>>In terms of creating a route, do I need to specify a destination and, 
>>if
>>so, should I do that before starting out or once I get there or do I
only 
>>do that if I want to have the program create an automatic route for
me?
>>
>>is there any way besides traveling the route over and over to make a
>>certain sequence part of multiple routes?  In my situation, I walk to
work 
>>via a different route than that generated if I do an automatic route
from 
>>my house to the campus because there are not sidewalks on many parts
of 
>>streets around here so i have to take that into consideration.  Thus,
I 
>>want to have routes from my house to a number of different points on 
>>campus.  Can I take the part of the route that is common to all and 
>>somehow drop it into other routes?  If it involves route editing, I'd 
>>appreciate some specific instructions on how people have done this--if
it 
>>is typically done sitting down in one place or if you do it as you'r 
>>ewalking on the route or if that depends, then what factors are
involved 
>>in deciding what method to use?
>>
>>I apologize for so many different questions in one message.  I hope 
>>that
>>folks can help with each of these areas as I want this to be more than
an 
>>interesting gadget which is what it will be if I can't figure out how
to 
>>create quality routes.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Jana Schroeder
>>
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