Thank you Alan Griffin for your comments. Perhaps as this mode of communication is to be well served it might be beneficial for all concerned if comment or replies to each other could be prefaced by a "ans" "My reply","one own initials", or some such designation so that we all could differentiate between what one person writhes and what another writes. Thank you, Ronald Knarr ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Griffin To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 4:59 PM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Tone./congrats On 30 Jul, Knarr <knarrrj@xxxxxxx> wrote: Snip much about relative merits of HC and GC > Likewise in a HC model: Determining the time from the overhead > point of the sun, and moon until the next overhead point we can > figure out the amount of time required to travel any angle. > Shouldn't one model give a different time for totality/path of > totality in a GS model as compared to a HC model, or would it be > the same in either case? I imagine one would have to know the > exact diameter of the moon to be able to calculate this, but would > hope this is known. No. It seems obvious (to me) that both the geocentric and heliocentric models MUST yield the same results for a solar eclipse. It was this that made me convinced that Neville was mistaken as soon as I read his paper. > Whether the sun is near or far, I cannot see how the distance of the > sun would make a difference in figuring this out, but that is why I > am just asking. The sun is such a fantastic distance away, that it makes little difference, unless the sun were to get so close that the rays stiking the earth during an hour could not be regarded as parallel. The explanation which Neville makes (and discounts) on the first page of his paper is completely valid. The sun is so far away, that the moon's shadow travels over the earth's surface at nearly the same speed as the moon, which is around 1000 mph faster than the earth's surface is moving (at the equator). This is why the moon's shadow moves to the East during the eclipse. Alan Griffin