[geocentrism] Re: Tone.
- From: RM Mentock <mentock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:47:15 -0400
Dr. Jones
Your views in ""Stellar distances and the age of the universe", which
you say have not changed, are the ones that I object to, especially
where you allude to your opponents as stupid and brainless. I object
primarily because of your request for civility of tone in this discussion.
After looking at the small portion of code that you presented in the
group, I have serious doubts that it could have produced the output.
But I cannot determine that without seeing the code. Unfortunately,
you have chosen not to share the code, and have even removed the
paper. Everyone makes mistakes. Admitting mistakes will not lower
credibility--hiding mistakes will lower credibility, and rightly so.
I did not claim that the line of code was wrong--I had no idea what the
code said at the time. I said that the line in the paper was wrong.
I said that if you corrected your code, that the results would support
the heliocentric theory--which you have admitted is true. There are
a thousand ways that error can creep into software--I think I've
personally made every one of them.
At 11:18 AM 7/30/2004, Dr. Jones wrote:
>I address RM Mentock's points as follows:
>
>If I remember rightly, I sent you the entire relevant body of code, which
>included the line which you previously declared (without seeing the code)
>would be wrong. I also answered your questions regarding the setting of
>angle variables within the code. I posted all this to the entire group.
>
>The flaw in my work, "On the movement of the umbra during a solar
>eclipse," was made very clear to all on this group (and several other
>groups, incidentally) in my e-mail posting. You may copy that posting onto
>your own website, if you wish.
>
>I ought to make it very clear that my views, as expressed in the "Stellar
>distances and the age of the universe" paper, that you quote, have not
>changed because of my (temporary) failure to disprove the heliocentric myth.
>
>RM Mentock <mentock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>I'm disappointed that you did not see fit to display your code. I'm
>also disappointed that you do not leave your errors visible, or at least
>leave comments to guide others who might be prone to such error,
>instead of just doing whatever it takes in your "aim to destroy the
>helioccentric cosmology."[1]
>
>I feel strongly about that, but I see that you have asked to tone down
>the remarks, so my comment about the deceptions involved will just be a
>mirror of your own words[2]:
>
>This, however, is a deliberate act by "...a tribe of rebels..." (Ezk. I2:2,
>NJB), described in God's written word as a "...stupid, brainless people
>who have eyes and do not see, who have ears and do not hear!" (Jer. 5:21,
>NJB) It is not something to be taken lightly, or for which excuses should
>be made. It is an extremely serious and deplorable state of affairs.
>
>You all should be ashamed.
>
>[1] http://www.midclyth.supanet.com/
>[2] http://www.midclyth.supanet.com/page12.htm
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>At 07:55 PM 7/29/2004, Dr. Jones wrote:
> >Dear All,
> >
> >I have noticed that a few postings are still being rather too hostile and,
> >for want of a better word, nasty.
> >
> >It is one of the founding stipulations of this forum that, as well as
> >discussing the scientific and Biblical aspects and implications of
> >geocentrism, we also do so in a stimulating and upbuilding manner. If we
> >enjoy insulting material, then there are plenty of other forums on the
> >Internet which thrive upon such an approach.
> >
> >When I saw a flaw in the Moon shadow paper, I withdrew it immediately and
> >Alan was gracious enough to state his appreciation that I had taken the
> >time to study his posting properly. Note that he did not jump up and down
> >shouting, "I told you so." This was a fine response.
> >
> >I can be very caustic myself, but that is not the way in which we can hope
> >to make progress, and it is not the way we are instructed to behave from
> >Scripture.
> >
> >If I can tone down my postings, then any of you can! Please be more
> >tolerant of each other's position.
> >
> >Neville.
> >
> >"There is this great difference between the works of men and the works of
> >God, that the same minute and searching investigation, which
> >displays the defects and imperfections of the one, brings out also the
> >beauties of the other." - Alexander Hislop, "The Two Babylons."
> >
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