Also I was just addressing the concept of inertia itself and the way we perceive it. I am of the opinion that the aether has already been demonstrated as real, observationaly & experimentally. Also other bodies were placed "in" the Firmament, and free space has properties. However, I am suggesting the primary "forces" of the aether might only apply to electromagnetic phenomena where the effect on mass is a function of the properties of any given mass and energy not necessarily the aether directly. The aether would serve as the primary conduit for electromagnetic energy with vectors dependent upon something akin to currents with eddies flowing within the currents. The "aether" in this sense might only affect the mass as a function of the energy flowing through it and the properties of a given mass. Gravity could be a function of the surface tension between energy flows and any given mass. Although the aether would be a ridged solid, spinning, the energy flows within would beha ve like a fluid. The mass would be crried by the energy flows themselves not the aether. However, because the energy flows are in the aether and it is spinning, the flows are carried along with the aether as it spins as well. I am just theorizing here, thinking out loud? Allen Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:Bob, Not your statments; the ones I used. Sorry if I was not clear. I used that term in the context only of what I was suggesting. I was trying to elaborate on my previous posting. Allen Bob Davidson wrote: Allen, 1) Please clarify whose statements are naïve. I hope that I have given you no cause for insulting me. 2) Please clarify the connection between your comments and mine. You seem to be stating the obvious re: mass, force and inertia. My background is engineering, with a couple of years worth of college physics courses, so I certainly understand the basics. I am talking about the forces applied by the Aether (assuming it exists) and gravity (if it exists as a force generated by objects other than the Earth). Dr. Jones is of the opinion that gravity is a phenomenon of the World only, thus my question as to why the Aether has not "pushed" or "pulled" the other planets out of Sol orbit and into Earth orbit. Bob -----Original Message----- From: geocentrism-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:geocentrism-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Allen Daves Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 10:59 AM To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [geocentrism] Re: The Aether and Orbital Mechanics Some of the statements here are naïve but just think about it. A object is at rest because no "force" is applied. When a "force" is applied to cause motion the "force" is not continually acting upon it. A "force" only applied once; however, it will stay in motion because there is no "force" to acting upon it. It seems the common denominator for any change to its state is "force" where inertia is just the natural state of the mass absent of any force. Much in the same way that we take light and darkness. Darkness is not "something" but rather the absence of something, Light. We still refer to it as a noun though technically it is nothing, jut the natural state absent of electromagnetic energy, or visible light. Everyone including Mach and company were trying to determine what "cased" inertia. There would be no "cause" if it was just the natural state absent of force? Allen Daves wrote:Perhaps inertia is not a force at all but rather the absence of force, literally nothing. Maybe inertia is the natural state of any mass absent of any force. As such, we could not describe it in terms of "somthing" or a function of mass or some mysterious "force" because it would just be the absence of anything else. It is only the mass and energy of the universe that gives context to movement anyway. However, depending on "something" being either energy or mass might determine which mechanism will principally play apart when it comes into "contact "of something else. Aether would be the medium for energy ; mass the medium for mechanical movement with a interdependent function between Energy, mass & perhaps even the aether? The various manifestations of this function we would call a "force" depending on the composition of this function with those three "qualities" Aether, mass, energy. Allen stny.rr.com> wrote:I misspoke. Please disregard the words "and beyond" in the first paragraph, although I suppose it does not matter much that the aether works on the rocket during its entire flight. Bob -----Original Message----- From: geocentrism-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:geocentrism-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Bob Davidson Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 9:01 PM To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [geocentrism] The Aether and Orbital Mechanics "Every body continues in its state of rest or motion in a DIRECTION GOVERNED BY THE MOVEMENT OF THE AETHER except in so far as it is compelled by forces to change that state." If I understand correctly, the above statement implies that the motion of an object in space is to tend toward an orbit about the earth. This may be due to a) frame dragging or b) a "push" by some physical property of the aether as it rotates about the earth. So, if a rocket were sent far into space and then decelerated to a point where its onboard sensors indicated a velocity of "0", we would expect it to begin accelerating into a circular orbit about the earth such that its period eventually synchronizes with the Aether, which we assume to be one earth day. How long would that take? This thought experiment neglects for the moment that the aether may be "dragging" or "pushing" on the rocket during its entire flight up to and beyond the moment it "stopped". This leads me to question why, after thousands of years, the other planets are still orbiting the Sun and have not been "dragged" or "pushed" into orbit around earth. The natural conclusion would be that the Sun exerts sufficient force on those other bodies to keep them in orbit about itself. That is fine if you believe that gravity (or whatever the controlling force) depends upon mass or some other property of the Sun, or at least is not confined to some unique property of earth. Comments? Bob