Neville, I've had some further thoughts around your assertion that all the space probe missions beyond LEO were faked (see the Voyager posts). You said: >A: Low Earth Orbit (LEO), yes. This is defined as being 200-400 miles >above the World's surface. I have no problem with that. So can I presume, that you have no problem with the Hubble Space Telescope orbiting at an altitude of 360 miles above the Earth, and with the quarter-million plus images that have come down from that over the last decade. Now, specifics. Hubble snapped stunning photographs of Mars at the oppositions of 2001 and last summer, 2003. They were the sharpest and best images ever obtained from the vicinity of the Earth, showing the larger craters, the volcanoes Olympus and Arsia Mons, details in the polar caps, and the Vallis Marineris and Noctis Labyrinthus canyon systems. These had never been seen before in such detail by near-Earth telescopes. However, we've known that these features existed ever since 1971, thirty years previously, when the Mariner 9 spacecraft went into orbit round Mars and mapped the whole planet. So - If Mariner 9 never went to Mars as you assert, where did these pictures come from in 1971? How did we know that these features would be confirmed by the HST three decades later? Is is just sheer good fortune on the part of the forgers? Secondly; Voyagers 1 and 2 photographed the Jovian Galilean Moons from close range in 1979. The most exciting discovery was the active volcanism on the moon Io, no-one had predicted such an active body in the outer solar system. Since then, Hubble has actually been able to resolve the larger of the Io volcanoes itself, even to monitor their changing shape as they erupt. If the voyager images were forged, how did they get it so accurate, considering they didn't know what to expect? In 1979, Io was still only a blurry dot in the best ground-based telescopes. Cheers, Rob. This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the intended recipient(s) only. It may contain proprietary material, confidential information and/or be subject to legal privilege. It should not be copied, disclosed to, retained or used by, any other party. If you are not an intended recipient then please promptly delete this e-mail and any attachment and all copies and inform the sender. Thank you.