Phillip, Am I correct in understanding that you are writing a book or something from your previous posting?......If so I for one would be very interested in reading it and or getting a copy of it? I collect things and Ideas you know. Philip <joyphil@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: It's only been 3 months and already the pope is contradicting himself? Indeed, can you tell us what some of the deceitful but non-dogmatic contradictions are? Robert. A slip Robert. I am sort of looking on the concilliar popes as ONE. Wrong forum to take such liberty. But the current encumbent has had 3 months and not reversed the errors of his predecessor, but reaffirmed them with vigour.. All the signs are for worse to come, and not EX Cathedra. Dropping dead, Well I was referring to the one who has no faith and intends to defy the Spirit. Such as the one confirmed in Church History , which I have not the time at the moment to find the detail. who openly proclaimed his intention to reverse a constant dogma, and was struck in a terrible way before he completed the proclamation. This is well documented. I am stating quite firmly, The Church cannot and has never been able to contradict herself. Those who do not understand and deny this do nor understand what is meant by excathedra. Philip ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Bennett To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 1:46 AM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Saul of Tarsus.. Nick & Dan Brother Philip, If the current pope EX CATHEDRA did that he would die before completion. It HAS BEEN been tried before. They know.. THEY DARE NOT. Aren't you claiming to know a little more than you could know? Wouldn't a simple change of mind suffice, instead of death? In 1968 Pope Paul issue Humani Generis in opposition to contraception, when all but 4 of his liberal periti (advising theologians) wanted approval. If only Pope Benedict would speak out on evolution and relativity..... which leads to the next.. Now he can and is saying things contradictory, which the non thinkers follow blindly, but not real catholics. .He can safely get away wikth that and not contradict the doctrine of infallibility.. ITS CALLED DECEIT. .. It's only been 3 months and already the pope is contradicting himself? Indeed, can you tell us what some of the deceitful but non-dogmatic contradictions are? Can you find any other Body having such a coalition against it and surviving, even to the final persecution. And the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Philip.