Robert said, I assume you refer to the 90's when JPII was interpreted as apologizing to Galileo and baptizing evolution as 'more than a hypothesis". Even if this spin is true, is it charitable to call an error in judgment 'deceit', which to most means the intent to deceive (same root) ? I chose not to bore the list with the current apostasy, or close to it. However I do accept your point made above. My claim to deceit was not based on the above example, but rather on his writings , not opposed by JP2, that contradict Christian dogmas, such as casting doubt even on the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Not ex cathedra mind, just careless errors of judgement? He has had enough time to denounce his words and the theologions he and jp2 supported, by omission? Errors of judgement are not protected by the Holy Ghost, and in a Pope do grave harm, especially to people like Neville and Allen and Ja, who see it as confirmation of their false knowledge of the Church, not withstanding the extremely grave harm it does to those poor members of the church who are betrayed by their chief shepherd. Ignorance may save them, but what chance have they got if they are a raving sexual maniac like me? " It is the sins of the flesh, that are sending most people into Hell......." Our Lady of Fatima. 1917. Philip ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Bennett To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 12:26 PM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Reply to Robert Philip, | Wrong forum to take such liberty. But the current encumbent has had 3 months and not reversed the errors of his predecessor, but reaffirmed them with vigour.. All the signs are for worse to come, and not EX Cathedra. I assume you refer to the 90's when JPII was interpreted as apologizing to Galileo and baptizing evolution as 'more than a hypothesis". Even if this spin is true, is it charitable to call an error in judgment 'deceit', which to most means the intent to deceive (same root) ? Also, when did Benny16 vigorously reaffirm these 1990 missteps? Re evol I have heard just the opposite - e.g., the NY Times letter from Cardinal Schoenborn, approved by the pope. Of course I'm closer to Rome than you are.....I think. Dropping dead, Well I was referring to the one who has no faith and intends to defy the Spirit. Such as the one confirmed in Church History , which I have not the time at the moment to find the detail. who openly proclaimed his intention to reverse a constant dogma, and was struck in a terrible way before he completed the proclamation. This is well documented. Not that I doubt your memory, but LMK if you find the reference. I am stating quite firmly, The Church cannot and has never been able to contradict herself. Those who do not understand and deny this do nor understand what is meant by excathedra. Verily, brother. Robert Philip ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Bennett To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 1:46 AM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Saul of Tarsus.. Nick & Dan Brother Philip, If the current pope EX CATHEDRA did that he would die before completion. It HAS BEEN been tried before. They know.. THEY DARE NOT. Aren't you claiming to know a little more than you could know? Wouldn't a simple change of mind suffice, instead of death? In 1968 Pope Paul issue Humani Generis in opposition to contraception, when all but 4 of his liberal periti (advising theologians) wanted approval. If only Pope Benedict would speak out on evolution and relativity..... which leads to the next.. Now he can and is saying things contradictory, which the non thinkers follow blindly, but not real catholics. .He can safely get away wikth that and not contradict the doctrine of infallibility.. ITS CALLED DECEIT. .. It's only been 3 months and already the pope is contradicting himself? Indeed, can you tell us what some of the deceitful but non-dogmatic contradictions are? Can you find any other Body having such a coalition against it and surviving, even to the final persecution. And the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Philip.