[geocentrism] Re: New Scientist Mag. The ether rediscovered!

  • From: Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 10:10:49 -0700 (PDT)

The most interesting thing concerning this article to me is the fact that they 
are openly outlining how they are going to commit fraud, literally. Here is 
what I mean. They say they are going to test the MM Experiment. to do this they 
are going to increase the sensitivity of the apparatus by as much a 100,000 
times. Now that is what MG experiment did, it had to because the effect it was 
trying to measure was so much smaller. The MG experiment was to show the spin 
effects of the aether relative to the earth. The MM experiment was to show the 
orbital effects of the earth around the sun relative to the aether. The problem 
was that MM failed to show any orbital speed around the sun while the MG 
experiment showed the relative spin effects of the aether relative to the 
earth. 

Prediction: They will most certainly get a positive result. The technique of 
this type experiment is valid.

The Fraud: They will be in essence using MG results to produce a positive MM 
result. They will then say see it was there all the time. The equipment jsut 
was not sensitive enough. Since the MM experiment showed basically a null 
result and the MG experiment gave the exact expected results, and that did not 
make sense, they through both experiments out. Now the are going to resurrect 
the aether.  All this, while simultaneously maintaining the Copernican paradigm 
by doing s switch-a-rue, slight of hand. Use MG results to produce the 
necessary MM outcome, Still ignore the MG experiment while all the time using 
its results. And they are practically bragging about this!

Allen
Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:Philip, 

You stated:

?Electromagnetic phenomena needs an aether to exist or operate in, but this 
does not mean that the aether is a "physical medium" that propagates waves in 
the mechanical sense. Electromagnetic phenomena is not a mechanical entity. It 
is far bigger than a case of "apples" versus "oranges" An alternating magnetic 
field at 1000hz IS NOT an alternating pressure wave in a medium at 1000 hz. 
Their only commonality is mathematical. It is a mistake to make them analogous 
in reality. That EMR varies in wavelength and speed in different physical 
mediums should say something to these people.?



You could be right, but not necessarily the way you suggest. Although Energy 
and mass can be equivalent they do not behave alike. They are two different 
manifestations of what we have to work with in the universe. The differences 
through the differing physical mass/mediums could just be due to the inherent 
disturbances caused by the interaction /Function of both, that I spoke of 
earlier. 



I have suggested that the primary "forces" of the aether might apply primarily 
to electromagnetic phenomena ?EMR?, where any effects on mass are a function of 
the properties of that mass and the energy within the aether, not necessarily 
the aether directly. The aether would serve as the primary conduit for 
electromagnetic energy, something akin to currents with eddies flowing within 
those currents. This would account for planetary epicyclical paths. The 
"aether" in this sense might only affect the mass as a function of the energy 
flowing through it (currents with eddies) and the properties of that mass. 
Although the aether would be a ridged solid, spinning, the energy flows within 
would behave with fluid like qualities. The mass would be carried by the energy 
flows themselves, not the aether. However, because the energy flows (currents 
with eddies) are located within the aether and the aether is spinning, the 
Energy flows (currents with eddies) would be carried along with th
e aether
and take on the overall spin, around the earth, of the aether. While any mass 
located in these energy ?EMR? flows would be carried along with those currents 
and eddies of energy. The Aether does give EMR/energy a physical a medium 
because "free" space has physical properties. That has already been 
demonstrated. EMR in turn gives mass vectors, and the interactions/function of 
both yields ?Forces?: Gravity, centrifugal, centripetal.. etc. However, these 
two cannot interact with each other with out small disturbances/perturbations 
of both; hence the variations in each. Just as EMR is affected by different 
physical mediums, those same mediums are affected by the EMR that they are in 
contact with: i.e. current through a wire or laser through a fiber optic line 
and Vice versa. We use this principle in high end military detection systems as 
well a rudimentary trigger mechanisms. 



Allen


Philip wrote:
That article was very apt and relevant Jack. Notice it confirms what I said, in 
that they went at it with a false presumption. such as, 
"they reasoned, then all celestial bodies must have some velocity relative to 
it. So someone standing on Earth and facing in the direction of its motion
through space would have an "ether wind" rushing past their face. According to 
this thinking, a light wave travelling with the ether wind would seem to move 
faster than a light wave heading into it. And Michelson and Morley set out to 
prove this."

They assumed the aether was stationary, and everything else moved through it, 
instead of with it. These modernists in their new experiment have not left any 
opening to accept a different point of view which contradicts this false 
assertion. 

Of course the .rotating aether near the surface cuts through the experiment, 
not the other way, so even had they detected the miniscule effect, it would 
prove nothing. 

But there is the further complication. The speed of the earths alleged movement 
of 30 kilometres per second arouind the sun can have no relevance if it is non 
existent. . They did mention 8k per second, detected, fut the equatorial aether 
speed is 1670k/h is less than 0.5km/sec. So methinks there is something wrong 
with the experiment in any case. 

Why move away from a vacuum, and into dense gases? Their argument is of course 
that the size of the equipment and a reduced wavelength would increase 
accuracy. I would not trust any measurement outside a vacuum, or outside of a 
solid which would suit their reasoning. Gases are subject to molecular activity 
and thus irregular movement even in a constant? ? temperature. . 

Finally the biggest presumption of all that has no merit in my thinking, is to 
presume that EMR in an aether medium, which is not a material subject to 
mechaical law, (other than as proposed in inertia) can be made synonomous with 
wave motion theory as involved mechanically in the propagation of sound. The 
aether will not propagate sound. 

I rewrite the propagation of radio and light another way. Electromagnetic 
phenomena needs an aether to exist or operate in, but this does not mean that 
the aether is a "physical medium" that propagates waves in the mechanical 
sense. Electromagnetic phenomena is not a mechanical entity. It is far bigger 
than a case of "apples" versus "oranges" An alternating magnetic field at 
1000hz IS NOT an alternating pressure wave in a medium at 1000 hz. Their only 
commonality is mathmatical. It is a mistake to make them analogous in reality. 

That EMR varies in wavelength and speed in different physical mediums should 
say something to these people. 

Philip. 








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